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A few days ago I read the report on the new Tipo estate in the ADAC magazine in Germany. Today I had a look at the What Car report. Are these guys really objective? Whilst ADAC said the car is cheaper than others, it's quality isn't bad and driving it is ok as well. When I read What Car it read like the car was the pits. They rated it badly against the Astra estate whereas ADAC had it comparable to the Astra and better than the Megane.

Surely these guys need to move into the 21st Century and start understanding that "Made in Germany" is actually not that good (VW as a prime example).

So how can we get these unimaginative clones to realise that their reviews seem to be a bit biased. After all Auto Express rate it better than the Skoda Rapid or Citroen C4. http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/fiat/ti...-vs-citroen-c4

Rant over, just feel What Car are forever knocking anything that isn't german.
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To be fair the ADAC magazine article (on their website) criticises the tipo's fuel economy, poor interior materials and emotionless steering.

Auto express, while rating it higher than the skoda and Citroen, recommend buying a 3000mile golf for 1000 less.
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A few days ago I read the report on the new Tipo estate in the ADAC magazine in Germany. Today I had a look at the What Car report. Are these guys really objective? Whilst ADAC said the car is cheaper than others, it's quality isn't bad and driving it is ok as well. When I read What Car it read like the car was the pits. They rated it badly against the Astra estate whereas ADAC had it comparable to the Astra and better than the Megane.

Surely these guys need to move into the 21st Century and start understanding that "Made in Germany" is actually not that good (VW as a prime example).

So how can we get these unimaginative clones to realise that their reviews seem to be a bit biased. After all Auto Express rate it better than the Skoda Rapid or Citroen C4. http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/fiat/ti...-vs-citroen-c4

Rant over, just feel What Car are forever knocking anything that isn't german.
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To be fair the ADAC magazine article (on their website) criticises the tipo's fuel economy, poor interior materials and emotionless steering.

Auto express, while rating it higher than the skoda and Citroen, recommend buying a 3000mile golf for 1000 less.
I had a Golf and when it started to play up, my local VW specialist said unfortunately they ARE all like that. VW know all about this problem but cannot sort it our. And so it proved. Needless to say I will not be revisiting the VW experience ever again. The Golf was really nice to drive but was the most unreliable and expensive mistake I have ever made. he worst of the 54 cars I have had over the years. I have had a total of 200,000 miles in Fiats with no mechanical problems at all. Everyone should have something in life they can rely on. Get a Fiat!
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I had a Golf and when it started to play up, my local VW specialist said unfortunately they ARE all like that. VW know all about this problem but cannot sort it our. And so it proved. Needless to say I will not be revisiting the VW experience ever again. The Golf was really nice to drive but was the most unreliable and expensive mistake I have ever made. he worst of the 54 cars I have had over the years. I have had a total of 200,000 miles in Fiats with no mechanical problems at all. Everyone should have something in life they can rely on. Get a Fiat!


I had a fiat, I've had many fiats and although they are relatively cheap to run they are not what I would call reliable, especially if you start adding in any more technological options.

Your rant about golf is a load of rubbish to be blunt, I'm good friends with VW specialist (in Norwich) 70% of their business comes from broken Audis their are Vw faults of course but they ARE not all like, what ever the mystery problem you're ranting about.
Let's face it, biggest manufacture in the work by volume and the golf is one of the best selling cars the world over. If they are ALL terrible then those facts simply wouldn't exist.
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To be fair, he was quoting his VW specialist on the generic issues, and recounting his own experience with his Golf, which is fair enough.

And I'm not hugely reassured about the amount of broken Audis, given the degree of parts-sharing between Audi and VW (unless the broken Audis all had smashed-up front ends, from getting too close to the car in front, in which case it all begins to make sense )
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Every human as there point of view . But sadly most humans look at the badge of the car and that decides there opinion . Am sure if the fiat multipla had the vw badge it would be the best car ever made . Fiats are the best for me . Who cares what people say😎
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Ah, the Multipla. A wonderful idea, clumsily executed. A child that not even its mother could love. I'm no VAG defender, but VAG would never have taken a design so unresolved to market.
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Are you saying vw beetle looked nice in those days😂
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I had a fiat, I've had many fiats and although they are relatively cheap to run they are not what I would call reliable, especially if you start adding in any more technological options.

Your rant about golf is a load of rubbish to be blunt, I'm good friends with VW specialist (in Norwich) 70% of their business comes from broken Audis their are Vw faults of course but they ARE not all like, what ever the mystery problem you're ranting about.
Let's face it, biggest manufacture in the work by volume and the golf is one of the best selling cars the world over. If they are ALL terrible then those facts simply wouldn't exist.
I have had 3 VW'S, the last I admit a few years ago was a Golf MkIV GTTD, every month it had something but mainly issues with the Turbo and the engine going into limp mode. I had leaking door seals, both headlamps going at the same time as well. A friend of ours just a couple of years ago had a new Golf and I think she is now on her 3rd engine. VW/Audi have very good marketing and work on the premise that if it's expensive enough, people will think it is good quality. I need more than nice plastic inside and dampened grab handles from a car for it to be classed as a quality product.
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I have had 3 VW'S, the last I admit a few years ago was a Golf MkIV GTTD, every month it had something but mainly issues with the Turbo and the engine going into limp mode. I had leaking door seals, both headlamps going at the same time as well. A friend of ours just a couple of years ago had a new Golf and I think she is now on her 3rd engine. VW/Audi have very good marketing and work on the premise that if it's expensive enough, people will think it is good quality. I need more than nice plastic inside and dampened grab handles from a car for it to be classed as a quality product.


I always love these types of reply. It usually consists of "I had an old car I bought second hand and it had problems" followed by a friend or a family member had x and they had nothing but trouble" that's fantastic two cars always proves the rule.

My friend with the VW specialist had a mk5 golf GTI an that had no end of problems caused by a bolt getting into the intake and damaging a piston and valves.....

Though it was his fault the bolt got in the air intake he left it there while doing so work and putting the air filter assembly back together, secondly he was thrashing the hell out of it over bumps which most likely allowed the bolt to move and the air flow to carry right into the engine.

But, you know, it's always the car's fault.

I had a punto hgt that ate it's own clutch, destroyed its duel mass flywheel then two weeks later threw the cambelt. But again fiats are perfect and non of this stuff ever happened.

If you go and have a look on auto trader there are 8 fiats with over 150k miles, do the same with VW there are over 600 cars for sale with over 150k miles

Only BMW has more 150k+ cars for sale and Audi are 3rd

I appreciate that fiat sell less than a third of the cars per year in the uk that VW do, but even factoring that it fiat should still have 180 some cars with over 150k miles if all things are equal. But obviously all things are not equal
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I always love these types of reply. It usually consists of "I had an old car I bought second hand and it had problems" followed by a friend or a family member had x and they had nothing but trouble" that's fantastic two cars always proves the rule.

My friend with the VW specialist had a mk5 golf GTI an that had no end of problems caused by a bolt getting into the intake and damaging a piston and valves.....

Though it was his fault the bolt got in the air intake he left it there while doing so work and putting the air filter assembly back together, secondly he was thrashing the hell out of it over bumps which most likely allowed the bolt to move and the air flow to carry right into the engine.

But, you know, it's always the car's fault.

I had a punto hgt that ate it's own clutch, destroyed its duel mass flywheel then two weeks later threw the cambelt. But again fiats are perfect and non of this stuff ever happened.

If you go and have a look on auto trader there are 8 fiats with over 150k miles, do the same with VW there are over 600 cars for sale with over 150k miles

Only BMW has more 150k+ cars for sale and Audi are 3rd

I appreciate that fiat sell less than a third of the cars per year in the uk that VW do, but even factoring that it fiat should still have 180 some cars with over 150k miles if all things are equal. But obviously all things are not equal
Well.. there's not much point in getting into a Fiat vs VAG argument, especially with simplistic comparisons.

Fiat sells predominantly smaller cars so you're not going to get many 150,000 miler cars when most of the range has a 1.2 litre engine. BMW, Audi and VW sell predominantly larger engined cars so will tend to attract people who drive bigger distances.

These Germans will also tend to be used by a single exec' most of the time, for racking up a fairly gentle (mechanically speaking) 250 miles a day up and down the motorway, whereas your Fiat will be used for a lot of local journeys, more likely with kids in the back, through the cut and thrust of the urban streets. They're bound to have harder life and more bits will fail or fall (get pulled) off.

But... back to topic... the failing with the aspirant middle-class Journo's is that they forget that they're just supposed to be testing the car and telling us about it. Comparisons are valid up to a point (Golf has soft interior, Tipo has a simpler/more austere finish) but they then stray into subjectivity based on their own value judgements ... e.g. Golf is "better"...

Now... if I want a simpler more austere finish, at half the price of the Golf, then the Tipo rather whips it... so Golf is clearly not "better". It's just "different". I just need to know the differences please.. I think some of us anyway (not just buying the badge) can then make up our own minds..


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I can only add that my 2006 5 door Stilo is a model of reliability and cost less than 10,000. The electrics are wonderful and the engine extremely well designed for long life. Mine has done nearly 100,000 miles. Why would I have spent nearly twice as much on a Golf? The relevance to this thread is that the new Tipo has the same engine (1.4 Star jet).
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Can't leave this thread without another dig at VW.
VW's reputation as maker of high quality, reliable cars is a myth created by their marketing arm which has been amazingly successful. The reality has always been different, at least since the early Golf years, and you don't have to rely on owners' anecdotes to see it.. The Mk 1 Golf rusted badly, even on the tailgate (why?) and it's engines were billowing blue smoke after only a modest mileage due to poor quality top end components. Later came the fiasco with the chain drive OHC engines, switched to belt drive on account of multiple failures. It is reported that the chain maker was so pressed by VW on price that he couldn't afford to upgrade his machinery to make chains of the required tolerance. Then there was the problem with DSG gearboxes. Has any other manufacturer had such a poor record?
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ahem...not forgetting the VAG coil pack fiasco...
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