thanks for your replies guys, bump stops looked knackered to me, I get the most noise when loaded, it can be recorded travelling along when loaded, seems to come from drivers side rear most of it, I thought leaf springs and/or shocks, I don't want to just guess at changing parts if I can help it, but there's hell of a lot of noise going on, so much so that passengers have complained about it, ots a sort squeaky eeee noise with a banging/knocking also, spares been out and in several times as I've had damned punctures a lot aargh. Strange thing is been making these noises for ages and passed test with no adv, 108 k miles rarely carries heavy loads, I think mine might be the one with thicker rear axle as mentioned on here before sots quite high up at back. N