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General Cambelt gone. What to do?

GizmOwin

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So I bought a Stilo not long ago, It was cheap and just needed a new alternator. I fitted the new alternator and fanbelt the other day.. Drove it off the drive and it sounded like a bag of nails then cut out. The cambelt snapped :(

I'm not sure whether to sell it as a whole for spares now, sell it in bits, or persevere with a new engine. I'd like to put an MJET in there, but I don't know about compatibility.

I'm just looking for advice at the moment, and possibly gauging interest for anyone looking for spares or a project car.

The car is a fully loaded 2003 "52" Silver dynamic estate JTD 115.

Owen.
 
Most Easterly Pandas said:
Why not just get a replacement engine :confused:

Or they not easily available?
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I've not ruled it out.. Theres a fair few on ebay ranging from £200 to £700. I imagine the labour costs involved in collecting the engine and then having it transplanted wouldn't be as cost effective as breaking it down. Does seem a great waste of a car.

If anyone knows the costs I'm looking at for a transplant I'd appreciate it if they could shed some light! If I could put an 150 MultiJet engine in there, I'd be a very happy boy and I'd keep the car and sell my 1.8 hatch!

I'm after easy money to be honest. I bought the car as a cheap investment knowing it was a top notch car and only needed a fan belt and an alternator. I didn't bargain for an engine transplant. I have enough work to do on my other two to keep my busy and pennyless :)

Owen.
 
petty sure if yours is the 115 it doesn't have an intercooler and a smaller turbo, so you would need to fit the intercooler and bigger turbo to fit a 150, you should be able to get a fair few 115's on ebay and remap em, just be sure to do the cam belt/waterpump change before fitting the replacement engine :)
 
cainy1989 said:
petty sure if yours is the 115 it doesn't have an intercooler and a smaller turbo, so you would need to fit the intercooler and bigger turbo to fit a 150, you should be able to get a fair few 115's on ebay and remap em, just be sure to do the cam belt/waterpump change before fitting the replacement engine :)
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If it's a 115 and you put a 150 in, I suspect you would have to change springs and front brakes aswell, as it will alter the car's spec way off standard. Over here it wouldn't be legal at all.
 
cainy1989 said:
petty sure if yours is the 115 it doesn't have an intercooler and a smaller turbo, so you would need to fit the intercooler and bigger turbo to fit a 150, you should be able to get a fair few 115's on ebay and remap em, just be sure to do the cam belt/waterpump change before fitting the replacement engine :)
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The 115 has an intercooler. I presume a turbo would come with the replacement MJET engine, And I'd give it a major service before it entered the car.

I'm just concerned about potential conflicts with the engine ECU, CAN and maybe the gearbox too. Surely someone knows about these things? :)

Owen.
 
Im sorry to hear about your cam belt going like that. Whenever one of my family buy a 'new' to them second hand car I always replace the timing belt at the earliest opportunity. At the moment I am getting the bits together for a Mk1 Punto 1.2 which is a NON interference engine i.e. if the belt breaks the pistons arnt going to hit the valves. Like I say I feel sorry but you have learnt a valuable lesson and wont make that mistake again.
 
Austin Mini said:
I feel sorry but you have learnt a valuable lesson and wont make that mistake again.
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You're very wise to do the belts and service, I did the same with my personal stilo. You know where you're at then!

I'm not sure I made a mistake though. I bought this car about 2 months ago, and since then, I've driven it on to a low loader, and then driven it off a low loader and onto the drive and It drove fine, aside from having no power steering. I fitted an alternator and fanbelt to it the day before yesterday. Then drove it off the drive and 10 minutes later it sounded like a bag of nails and the cambelt snaps. I'm not sure I was given a chance to give the engine any more attention! Just very unfortunate I think!

Owen.
 
Morty Mort said:
If it's a 115 and you put a 150 in, I suspect you would have to change springs and front brakes aswell, as it will alter the car's spec way off standard. Over here it wouldn't be legal at all.
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That's something I hadn't thought of. The 150 is the same block as 115 isn't it? So it should alter too much in weight? I have uprated springs and discs, would this help any?

Owen.
 
GizmOwin said:
That's something I hadn't thought of. The 150 is the same block as 115 isn't it? So it should alter too much in weight? I have uprated springs and discs, would this help any?

Owen.
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That would help, as stopping power is important when you add some BHP. I also think the hub of the 150 is wider than the 115. So it uses a strut that has a wider grip where the two bolts go through at the hub.

If I put a 1.8 into my 1.6 I would have to get it "street legal" by showing it to the authorities, getting a new registration card with all modifications listed. This mod (from 1.6 to 1.8) would need bigger front brakes only, and I'd have to pay BHP tax as the power would increase with about 30%. Insurance is void with a modified car here, but then again it costs extremely little to insure modifications.
 
After speaking to a very enthusiastic and optimistic engineer, I think I've decided to go ahead and replace the engine. He's suggested that I give the engine to him first, and he can bore the engine to about 3.0L capacity, as well as some other planing, and grinding to improve performance. I do quite like the idea of having a 3.0L JTD.

Has anyone any experience of this sort of engineering, or know someone who's done anything like it with a JTD?

I've done research into Transplanting an MJET engine, and It seems that there'd be a lot of modifications required to ancillaries, It would need to conform to a lot of legislation, and the insurance premium would take a hit :(

Owen.
 
I havn't a clue what mods would be needed to support a 3.0L JTD :eek:, i'm quite happy with mine as it is tbh, but i'm pretty sure the 150 Multijet in the Stilo had a 6 speed gearbox so that would be another thing to add to the list of required mods if sticking a 150bhp lump in the place of the JTD 115!
 
JTD_Liam said:
the Stilo had a 6 speed gearbox so that would be another thing to add to the list of required mods if sticking a 150bhp lump in the place of the JTD 115!
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I've decided sadly it's too much hassle to put an MJET in. I'm just going to see what's possible with the JTD. While I have the opportunity to have serious work done, I'm thinking I may as well.

Owen.
 
If your gonna tune it, and get it insured as such, you may as well go all the way as insurance company's just see it as Modified,
3.0 seems optimistic to me, but most things are do-able if you throw enough cash at them, I'd have thought you need a smashed (ideally rear ended) 150 car, then any bits would be to hand, Talking to a m8 on AO I am told you can put the Alfa Q2 LSD in the 150 diff, but not in the 8v, so there must be a few differences in the gearbox etc.
There is a fair bit of tuning info for the mjet engine on AO and people doing a lot to them on there.

I would defo start with the 150 engine as the most powerful variant is almost always the best to start with, and if you can afford the driveshafts, and clutches 200+bhp is easy enough off just a map.:devil:
 
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