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That's the reason that lexus have only ever made 1 diesel engine, and concentrate so much of their efforts on hybrids instead.
500 How long until your 500 fell apart, mine is not yet 6 !!
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500 How long until your 500 fell apart, mine is not yet 6 !!
That's the reason that lexus have only ever made 1 diesel engine, and concentrate so much of their efforts on hybrids instead.
I don't think they can get away with it and if they do it I assume it will apply for new cars. Too many people have diesel cars you can't just ban them
here is the uk older diesels are already banned from some inner city's. but if you pay money all the badness suddenly disappears from your exhaust and you can then still drive them https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/low-emission-zone/make-a-payment
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My '58 plate 1.4 Sport has done 35,000 miles. Issues have been minor - rear shocks needed replacing at 25k, boot release switch occasionally fails (and then works again!) and flashing odometer sometimes occurred until battery replacement 18 months ago. Other than that, it's been one of the most reliable cars I've ever owned and is a definite keeper. Guess I’ve been one of the lucky ones…
I now regard diesel nanoparticulates as a serious environmental health issue and this is the only reason I’ll be replacing my supremely reliable ’08 Skoda Fabia estate 1.9 TDi (Euro IV pumpe deuse engine without a DPF) later this year. The new car will be an Eco TSi, most likely the 1.4 ACT engine available in the Seat Ibiza FR (facelifted version coming next month).
I now regard diesel nanoparticulates as a serious environmental health issue and this is the only reason I’ll be replacing my supremely reliable ’08 Skoda Fabia estate 1.9 TDi (Euro IV pumpe deuse engine without a DPF) later this year. The new car will be an Eco TSi, most likely the 1.4 ACT engine available in the Seat Ibiza FR (facelifted version coming next month).
Oh yes, reminded me there of the flashing mileage issue. Our former TA did that, took it back to our local Fiat dealership who didn't even bat an eyelid over replacing the instrument pod. I didn't even have to ask, well, let's face it, I didn't know it was that much of a problem that the whole pod had to be replaced, but replace they did. Really glad that was done under warranty and didn't fail outside of it.
Point is, again, I've never owned a car where the entire instrument pod has failed whereby it had to be replaced. Pretty shoddy in my opinion and certainly not on when you consider how much these cars are to buy. Yes, I know other cars have their faults/weaknesses, but instrument pod failures on practically new cars, is just poor.
Point is, again, I've never owned a car where the entire instrument pod has failed whereby it had to be replaced. Pretty shoddy in my opinion and certainly not on when you consider how much these cars are to buy. Yes, I know other cars have their faults/weaknesses, but instrument pod failures on practically new cars, is just poor.
I thought a proxy alignment sorts that out? Replacing pod was perhaps an unnecessary overkill?
Apparently not. I mentioned this to the Fiat dealership. They told me they'd had this issue before and a new pod was the way ahead. The new pod was different to the factory one as well. Never had an issue with it again after replacement.
It's hardly an epidemic and it may be that the dealer got paid more for replacing a physical part.
OK I agree it's disappointing for an instrument panel to fail but it's far from unusual and I'd actually say that was a very good response from the dealership.
I have a friend who is an absolute genius when it comes to car electronics and diagnostics who recently tried to fix an Audi instrument panel, the owner had already parted with £1.6k to Audi dealerships in failed attempts at getting the issue fixed. Even he gave up.
On a similar theme to previous comments comparing the 500 to other makes, I work with someone who has just had to spend £7.5k on his Discovery 4 at just over 3 years old. LR wouldn't even discuss any assistance. The diesel engines in these are wonderful to drive but are known to self destruct.
Same in the Mercedes-Benz G Wagen world (I have one built before the bean counters took over) but I have a friend's who have spent in excess of £14k on engine rebuils on 4 year old V8 diesels, again MB know all about this and refuse to support out of warranty. It's always owner abuse.
I think I'll take my chances with the simple 500
I have a friend who is an absolute genius when it comes to car electronics and diagnostics who recently tried to fix an Audi instrument panel, the owner had already parted with £1.6k to Audi dealerships in failed attempts at getting the issue fixed. Even he gave up.
On a similar theme to previous comments comparing the 500 to other makes, I work with someone who has just had to spend £7.5k on his Discovery 4 at just over 3 years old. LR wouldn't even discuss any assistance. The diesel engines in these are wonderful to drive but are known to self destruct.
Same in the Mercedes-Benz G Wagen world (I have one built before the bean counters took over) but I have a friend's who have spent in excess of £14k on engine rebuils on 4 year old V8 diesels, again MB know all about this and refuse to support out of warranty. It's always owner abuse.
I think I'll take my chances with the simple 500
Exactly, mine is going to cost me money this year.
I replaced the dampers and springs because one damper had blown, it's had front discs and pads, a thermostat and the timing belt and water pump are well overdue now. It also needs a rear box and 4 new tyres. But once that's done it'll be good for another 5 years with little maintenance needed
I replaced the dampers and springs because one damper had blown, it's had front discs and pads, a thermostat and the timing belt and water pump are well overdue now. It also needs a rear box and 4 new tyres. But once that's done it'll be good for another 5 years with little maintenance needed
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Exactly, mine is going to cost me money this year.
I replaced the dampers and springs because one damper had blown, it's had front discs and pads, a thermostat and the timing belt and water pump are well overdue now. It also needs a rear box and 4 new tyres. But once that's done it'll be good for another 5 years with little maintenance needed
Essentially as long as you dont replace the dodgy part that dont last long with Fiat OEM, you are doing well = )
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It also needs a rear box and 4 new tyres. But once that's done it'll be good for another 5 years with little maintenance needed
My (factory original) rear box has looked quite bad for a few years now but sounds fine and passes the MOT each time. The mechanic tells me that it's double-skinned and will be fine until the inner corrodes. When it eventually goes I might look at stainless options but I'm happy getting 7 years (and counting) for the rear end.
Tyre-wise, I had to replace the front Conti PremiumContact 2s at 22 k miles and the (original) rears have just been replaced at 35 k. Michelin EnergySavers all round now and I really like them - rides better and quieter than the Contis and hopefully will wear better too.
yeah, my box is the same, it'll go one day though.....
Oh and I still have some tyres on that are original and have done about 50k miles and are 6 years old. They will be replaced purely due to age in the spring.
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I totally agree! The dpf isn't there to annoy car owners; it's there for everybody's health. Therefore a deliberate dpf removal doesn't differ much from premeditated attempted manslaughter.
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That's good going. My rear Continentals still had about 4 mm at 35k miles but the gradual appearance of fine cracks across their sidewalls convinced me it was time to replace.
Mine still look good tbh, but they're down to about 3-4mm and in the autumn rain this morning they were less than ideal.
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Difficult to argue against this given some recent scientific evidence I've seen. It really bothers me that my other car, a 1.9 TDi PD (brilliant, torquey but old-school VAG diesel) lacks a DPF. There must be thousands of cars still running along happily with this engine, belching out those nasty nanos
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Difficult to argue against this given some recent scientific evidence I've seen. It really bothers me that my other car, a 1.9 TDi PD (brilliant, torquey but old-school VAG diesel) lacks a DPF. There must be thousands of cars still running along happily with this engine, belching out those nasty nanos
You have it backwards, cars with DPFs are the ones belching out nano particles, the large visible particles are filtered by the DPF, leaving invisible nano particles that are absorbed directly into the bloodstream, because they pass directly through cell walls.
At least in cars without DPFs, you can see the smoke and try to avoid it, and the nano particles tend to cling to the carbon in diesel exhaust and can actually be filtered out to some extent by the body. If you're walking behind a DPF equipped car, even if you hold your breath the particles will enter the bloodstream via your skin.
If something's going to be toxic, I'd rather see it. It also means that in the mind of the buying public 'new' diesels are 'green' because there's little visible smoke, meaning more people bought diesels than if DPFs were never developed. As a side note, in Australia, DPF's still aren't mandatory.
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