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Roberto
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Too little, too late.
If you take a life because you drive like a cnut, then you should be treated the same as a murderer and therefore be punished as such, with a maximum life sentence.
"Tony Leigh's 14-year-old daughter Jessica was killed instantly by a motorist speeding at 60mph.
He told Five Live: "[The driver] went to court and pleaded not guilty and then, when he finally got into court after about a year-and-a-half, all he got was a £300 fine and six penalty points."
Now imagine that was your daughter........
Rob
If you take a life because you drive like a cnut, then you should be treated the same as a murderer and therefore be punished as such, with a maximum life sentence.
"Tony Leigh's 14-year-old daughter Jessica was killed instantly by a motorist speeding at 60mph.
He told Five Live: "[The driver] went to court and pleaded not guilty and then, when he finally got into court after about a year-and-a-half, all he got was a £300 fine and six penalty points."
Now imagine that was your daughter........
Rob
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Tom
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About time!
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Tom
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True Rob but anything is better than nowt.
Its daft, if I shot you dead I'd go to prison for life, if I ran you over I'd get a fine and points.
Its daft, if I shot you dead I'd go to prison for life, if I ran you over I'd get a fine and points.
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Anonymous
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but on the other side of the coin we have to make sure that when it is an accident then its seen as an accident and not someone being stupid,
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Anonymous
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for me, the ultimate punishment would be knowing that i killed someone.
i can't imagine how i'd feel if it was through reckless driving or if it was a child, but i imagine there would be the odd few that would take the attitude that '**** happens'
i can't imagine how i'd feel if it was through reckless driving or if it was a child, but i imagine there would be the odd few that would take the attitude that '**** happens'
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Anonymous
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i disagree with this. if i aimingly run u down as in murder then i should get life. if i run u down and its an accident. i.e putting a cd in the cd player and u walk out in front of me, then i dont believe i should get point or a fine or life. but the new rule means i can go to prison for a maximum of 5 years as it could be seen as careless driving. its a load of ****e.
rob it doesnt say how it happened. for all we know she might of chased a ball in to the road and then shes hit. but as soon as some 1 gets hit its automatically reckless driving. again a load of ****e.
most deaths buy cars are in teh age group 13 - 19 year olds. its cos there chav bastards for one and they have not been brought up correctly to understand road safety. to me the blaim is on the parents. its y we have speed limits if hes in the speed limits the blaim is then the kids fault.
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Smee
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rob it doesnt say how it happened. for all we know she might of chased a ball in to the road and then shes hit. but as soon as some 1 gets hit its automatically reckless driving. again a load of ****e.
most deaths buy cars are in teh age group 13 - 19 year olds. its cos there chav bastards for one and they have not been brought up correctly to understand road safety. to me the blaim is on the parents. its y we have speed limits if hes in the speed limits the blaim is then the kids fault.
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Smee
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Josh
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a taxi driver down where i live was proved to be speeding when he hit and killed my mates brother, and he is still allowed to TAxi drive to this day that is like rubbing slt into a wound. Yet a guy i went to school with hit his best mate when he jumped in front of the car messing about and he got 5 years. where's the justice?
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Emma
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Yeah 2 years ago my little sister was knocked down my an off duty police officer, he ran a red light whilst doing at least 45 mph in a 30mph zone. She was just crossing the lights as she has always been taught to when the green man came on.
All he got was to pay her compo of £1000 and not even a slap on the hand.
Wheres the justice?
All he got was to pay her compo of £1000 and not even a slap on the hand.
Wheres the justice?
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Conrad
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As mentioned before this runs the risk of criminalising accidents. It is impossible to maintain concentration 100% of the time so accidents will happen. Few people go out intending to kill but many people sneeze whilst driving, look for too long in the rear view mirror (generally at women 
), laugh at a joke etc.
Don't know what to do about it though. Perhaps create more pedestrian crossings and make it illegal to cross the road anywhere else, at least that might concentrate pedestrians minds before they step into a road with moving traffic?
Conrad
), laugh at a joke etc.Don't know what to do about it though. Perhaps create more pedestrian crossings and make it illegal to cross the road anywhere else, at least that might concentrate pedestrians minds before they step into a road with moving traffic?
Conrad
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Anonymous
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dont get me started on ped crossings. the ones with out the lights i dont stop for... i pay my road taxes. they should wait for me to go past.
Smee
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Insomnia
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Whatever happened to 'the pedestrian has the right of way'?
Annoying as pedestrians can be, they have as much right to cross the road as we have to drive along it.
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Annoying as pedestrians can be, they have as much right to cross the road as we have to drive along it.
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Anonymous
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do they ****....
how does some 14 year old walking home from school have more right than me to be on that road... i pay road tax to drive on that road. if its damaged its my tax that pays for it. so y do i wait for them.
then u get the 14 year old on there bikes. now i feel for them. cos they cant bike on the path. and when they bike in the road they **** me off.
tractors should not be allowed on the roads. dont pay tax, use red diesel, and travel at slower speeds than mopeds.
instead of trying to stop little kids getting killed from there inadequateness of trying to cross the road. they should concentrate on maybe the other **** in this world like some of the mentioned above.
Smee
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how does some 14 year old walking home from school have more right than me to be on that road... i pay road tax to drive on that road. if its damaged its my tax that pays for it. so y do i wait for them.
then u get the 14 year old on there bikes. now i feel for them. cos they cant bike on the path. and when they bike in the road they **** me off.
tractors should not be allowed on the roads. dont pay tax, use red diesel, and travel at slower speeds than mopeds.
instead of trying to stop little kids getting killed from there inadequateness of trying to cross the road. they should concentrate on maybe the other **** in this world like some of the mentioned above.
Smee
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Andy
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i agree that if the driver is driving in an unsuitable manner then there should be more done than just a fine and points, but if it is something that happens thats preety much out of the control of the driver then there should be lieniancy.
ive had to deal with both sides of the coin, recently i had a good friend knocked down and killed by a bus in Newcastle, it was not the bus drivers fault according to the police report, he just stepped out from nowhere and there was nothing that could have been done. in this case i feel that the fact the driver now has to live with the fact that he knocked someone down and has killed them is more than enough, afterall it wasnt their fault. Knowing my mate it was prob him just being himself and not apyin attention etc, so there should be no onus put apon the driver. as far as im aware they are no longer driving (banned i believe) and have no living.
ive also had a friend killed by a reckles driver. all he got was 6 points iirc and a fine, she was only 10 at the time. her body was thrown god knows how far up the road (an obscene distance) and he got minimal for it.
ok so they both have on their consciounce that they killed someone, but at the end of the day i feel there is no justice. if its an accident and can be proved so then there is little that should be done as they have the fact they killed someone hanging over them for the rest of theur life. but if it is due to reckles or dangerous driving etc then they should get life, think about all those programes that show a car as a weapon. if u caried a knife on the street ud get put away, but if you drive stupidly you dont??? why?
any way thats my 2 pennies worth
Andy
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ive had to deal with both sides of the coin, recently i had a good friend knocked down and killed by a bus in Newcastle, it was not the bus drivers fault according to the police report, he just stepped out from nowhere and there was nothing that could have been done. in this case i feel that the fact the driver now has to live with the fact that he knocked someone down and has killed them is more than enough, afterall it wasnt their fault. Knowing my mate it was prob him just being himself and not apyin attention etc, so there should be no onus put apon the driver. as far as im aware they are no longer driving (banned i believe) and have no living.
ive also had a friend killed by a reckles driver. all he got was 6 points iirc and a fine, she was only 10 at the time. her body was thrown god knows how far up the road (an obscene distance) and he got minimal for it.
ok so they both have on their consciounce that they killed someone, but at the end of the day i feel there is no justice. if its an accident and can be proved so then there is little that should be done as they have the fact they killed someone hanging over them for the rest of theur life. but if it is due to reckles or dangerous driving etc then they should get life, think about all those programes that show a car as a weapon. if u caried a knife on the street ud get put away, but if you drive stupidly you dont??? why?
any way thats my 2 pennies worth
Andy
the proud owner of patch, the multishaded Heraldic blue Bravo
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Emma
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Smee can i just ask you, i pay road tax. So does that not give me right of way to cross the ped crossing, i cross every morning to take my little girl to school?
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Anonymous
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To be honest i dislike the new law, i mean you must be prove that you wasn't driving carelessly otherwise you goto prison. How?
If your keeping to the speed limit and some chav decides to cross the road, and you accidentally run them down dead. There chav friends could say you was speeding blah blah blah.
Anyway if i hit someone on the road and i was driving sensibly, then i will take there parents or guardian to court for damages to my car.
J
If your keeping to the speed limit and some chav decides to cross the road, and you accidentally run them down dead. There chav friends could say you was speeding blah blah blah.
Anyway if i hit someone on the road and i was driving sensibly, then i will take there parents or guardian to court for damages to my car.
J
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Anonymous
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no. the point of road tax is for when ur on the ROAD. to make things run smooth. i.e a massive pot hole. i wouldnt expect the money for that to come from a ped. its comes out of road tax.
a ped crossing is a safe places for a ped to cross the road. think about it u want to cross the road..... y am i gonna stop and let u cross. this is y the traffic light crossings are best cos u dont just turn up and cross it waits untill a suitible gap and then allows u to cross.
smee
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a ped crossing is a safe places for a ped to cross the road. think about it u want to cross the road..... y am i gonna stop and let u cross. this is y the traffic light crossings are best cos u dont just turn up and cross it waits untill a suitible gap and then allows u to cross.
smee
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Anonymous
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To be honest i dislike the new law, i mean you must be prove that you wasn't driving carelessly otherwise you goto prison. How?
innocent untill proven quilty is now out the window lol
Smee
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innocent untill proven quilty is now out the window lol
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Stu R
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@ J If you ahve an accident and kill someone but where doing the correct speed limit then the police will prove that you were. Also your innocent til proven guilty so the police have to prove you were driving carlessly not you trying to prove that you were not.
@Smee
The law states that you must stop at a zebra crossing if someone is waiting to cross.
Also, which not alot of people know about is that if a person is already crossing the road then by law you have to wait for them to cross.
The reason you pay road tax is to keep roads free from pot holes and cracks etc etc that have been damaged by your 1ton car on the road and every other car on the road. Don't know of many people that way a ton. Your tax also helps build new roads like by-passes and duel carriageways so your can avoid stopping for all those people who like to cross the road.
@Smee
The law states that you must stop at a zebra crossing if someone is waiting to cross.
Also, which not alot of people know about is that if a person is already crossing the road then by law you have to wait for them to cross.
The reason you pay road tax is to keep roads free from pot holes and cracks etc etc that have been damaged by your 1ton car on the road and every other car on the road. Don't know of many people that way a ton. Your tax also helps build new roads like by-passes and duel carriageways so your can avoid stopping for all those people who like to cross the road.
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Insomnia
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*how does some 14 year old walking home from school have more right than me to be on that road... i pay road tax to drive on that road. if its damaged its my tax that pays for it. so y do i wait for them.*
Smee, it's your duty as a driver to be courteous to other users of the road. Doesn't matter if they've 'paid' to use it. For whatever reason they are using the road, attempting to cross it or whatever, it's their right to do so - just as much right as it is for you to drive along it. It's not your road, it's not anyone's road.
The only difference is, you have a killing machine and thus think it's your road as you have the advantage over the helpless pedestrian. The pedestrian in comparison to a driver in a nice safe car is open to anything - thats why the individuals right to cross the road should be greater than yours.
Scenario:-
You see a 5 year old on one side of the road and you then spot the parent on the other, the child wants to cross the crossing ... what you gonna do? Drive on through? Now, if in that situation you stop, why should that be any different to any pedestrian of any age? If in that scenario you carry on driving, you don't deserve your licence.
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Dec '97 1.8GT / 114,500 miles (New engine @ 77,000)
Current Status: Need an N/S Rear ABS Sensor!
Smee, it's your duty as a driver to be courteous to other users of the road. Doesn't matter if they've 'paid' to use it. For whatever reason they are using the road, attempting to cross it or whatever, it's their right to do so - just as much right as it is for you to drive along it. It's not your road, it's not anyone's road.
The only difference is, you have a killing machine and thus think it's your road as you have the advantage over the helpless pedestrian. The pedestrian in comparison to a driver in a nice safe car is open to anything - thats why the individuals right to cross the road should be greater than yours.
Scenario:-
You see a 5 year old on one side of the road and you then spot the parent on the other, the child wants to cross the crossing ... what you gonna do? Drive on through? Now, if in that situation you stop, why should that be any different to any pedestrian of any age? If in that scenario you carry on driving, you don't deserve your licence.
Ins.
Dec '97 1.8GT / 114,500 miles (New engine @ 77,000)
Current Status: Need an N/S Rear ABS Sensor!