A friend of mine is in big trouble with the Ducato on his way to Sweeden.
He was braking down and when he was gearing down he was suddenly not able to engage any gears at all.

He says that gearlever is still possible to move and that the arms on the otside of the box is moving with the cables.

He have tried pushing it into gear borh with the engine running and without and even tried tu force it into gear with the engine running and the clutch out. Not even scary noises....

What is likely to be the problem?

Its a 1996mod 2,5 diesel 214 by the way.

Reidar said:

A friend of mine is in big trouble with the Ducato on his way to Sweeden.
He was braking down and when he was gearing down he was suddenly not able to engage any gears at all.

He says that gearlever is still possible to move and that the arms on the otside of the box is moving with the cables.

He have tried pushing it into gear borh with the engine running and without and even tried tu force it into gear with the engine running and the clutch out. Not even scary noises....

What is likely to be the problem?

Its a 1996mod 2,5 diesel 214 by the way.

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Are you sure that the clutch hasn't given up the ghost ? :bang:

It could well be the clutch for what I know. That was my first guess too.

Hi again
It is difficult to diagnose the problem without being there.
I would check to see if the slave cylinder (or cable if it has one instead) on the clutch is working the clutch selector fork correctly while operating the clutch pedal. If this appears to be OK & with the absence of any grinding noises etc & the fact everything externally seems to be working regards the gearbox the only thing I can think of is that the centre spline assembly of the clutch driveplate has been torn out of the clutchplate itself.
Which can happen if the incorrect gear ratio is selected with regards to vehicle speed. If not that the only other thing I can think of would be a broken input shaft (unlikely) or something broken in the final drive/differential. But I would think the clutchplate would be the most likely cause if at the time he was using engine braking on an incline.
Hope this helps :bang:
Cheers

The garage seem to think that the clutch is OK. How they came to this conclusion without engaging any gears I dont know.

Anyway they opened the 5. gear housing and it didnt look any good. the 5. gear itself wasnt totally destroyed but there were lots of small metal bits.

Theres a low mileage gearbox in a brakers nearby but from from a 199mod 2,8. Will that fit?

Theres a lot og brakers in sweeden but for some reason wery few of them are in or close to Skåne.

I thought the 2.8 was an Iveco engine.
I don't know if the gearbox is the same, hope someone else will, but if not I wouldn't buy without looking first.

My 2,5 have engine code 8140,67 while the 2,8of the same age is 8140,43.
Unless someone have done something pretty stupid that should indicate that they are related.

But as Fiat and Peugeot/Citroen seem too consistantly rename its others engines you´ll never know:bang:

Reidar said:

My 2,5 have engine code 8140,67 while the 2,8of the same age is 8140,43.
Unless someone have done something pretty stupid that should indicate that they are related.

But as Fiat and Peugeot/Citroen seem too consistantly rename its others engines you´ll never know:bang:

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The 8140,67 appears to be an Iveco engine as well.

I´ve been offered a MG5TU gearbox from a 2007mod Jumper 2,5td. The engine code is T8A(DJ5T). The engine code of a 2,5 without turbo of the same year is T9a(DJ5) and I´m pretty sure theese are basicly the same angines as Ivecos 8140 engines.

But my local parts dealer have different partnumbers for the clutchkits for the Ducato and Jumper/Boxer:bang:
The partnumbers for the driveshafts however seems to be the same.

The man offering the gearbox says the clutch is a "pullclutch" that works oposite of a traditional clutch. I´ve only seen thsat once before on a Peugeot 406.
Does a Ducato 2,5 normally have a pullclutch?

Is this ducato a motorhome? If not I assume its going to to be a LOT cheaper to replace the van. A 96 non turbo ducato here is about 300-500 euro. I know you have nasty vehicle taxes in denmark though.

Ducato from 94 on is a pull clutch. Some older ones are cable clutch I'm almost sure the new one will be hydraulic. Youll have to swap brackets at least to the new transmission.

@Corkman: The taxes on cars are rather nasty both in Denmark and in Norway where I live. A -96 Ducato in reasonable condition seem to fetch £2000 to £2500 if its MOTed.
I bought ours cheap because it hadnt passed its MOT and now with a fresh MOT it have costed about £1500. I hoped to pass it on with some profit until the gearbox broke.
Anyway I think it makes sense to spend about £500 or so to fix it.

If we gave it up in Sweeden where my mate left it we would probably have to pay to have it dispathed.

The clutch on our car is a cable one, as is the one from the -97 Jumper. And If the Ducato from -94 have a pullclutch the one we have probably have that too.
Maybe we should assume they are the same and have it sent to the workshop?