As the title suggests. Can i get a transponder key with buttons for alarm cut and programmed? As the car i'm looking at only has one blue key (but does have the red).

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fiatpuntosx said:

As the title suggests. Can i get a transponder key with buttons for alarm cut and programmed? As the car i'm looking at only has one blue key (but does have the red).

Piccy:

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Yes Fiat can supply you with a new alarm coded key. You will need to give them approx £70 plus your red key, and maybe an additional £17 to get the code card which will have your alarm codes. Being a MK2 i doubt the alarm codes will be available, but afterall it is a Fiat and they may have them.

i got quoted £120+VAT per remote key at 2 different fiat garages (compared to £100 for a mk2 punto sporting remote key??). get a second hand one and program it in, your car can hold 8 keys at once on immob and alarm so get more than one if you can find it. sunderland metals has one (well they did 2 weeks ago) they want a fiver for it, i didnt bother as i have 2 blues already, but wish i bought it now just in case.

I need another key my self. Can I buy a used key off E-bay and fit a new blade into it?

jug said:

i got quoted £120+VAT per remote key at 2 different fiat garages (compared to £100 for a mk2 punto sporting remote key??). get a second hand one and program it in, your car can hold 8 keys at once on immob and alarm so get more than one if you can find it. sunderland metals has one (well they did 2 weeks ago) they want a fiver for it, i didnt bother as i have 2 blues already, but wish i bought it now just in case.

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You'll be able to program it in? How? You need a blank key to program, using the accelerator pedal method, never heard of current blue coded keys being able to overwrite the current ECU recognision patterns. Even if it was possible the alarm works on a different ECU to that of the cars immobilisor. So i wouldn't waste my time finding a rc key, the alarm is seperate unless you have the 2nd hand key(from scrappy) alarm 4digit code.

As far as im aware the keys are moulded into the fob, i suggest you have a quick word with Timpsons and they will tell you or not if they can replace the blade on the fob with a newly cut one.

if i got a second hand remote key i'd just program it into the ecu using the insert each key method, then program the remote into the alarm by holding the small button on the courtesy light and then pressing the remote button. you program the key into the immobiliser seperately to the alarm, in the same way fiat would program a new key into the car. the 4 digit code is for the fiat code system2, which wouldnt have a red key. if you have a red key you're on system1 so you dont need a 4 digit code. the red key is the ecu unlock code. they scrapped the red key for system2 prefering to hold a database of codes for UK cars only, meaning if you have an import you're screwed (my girlfriend's mk2 punto).

i've heard people talk about this accelerator pedal pressing thing before, and also the idea that an uncoded key gets coded by this process. as far as im aware thats not true, keys come precoded, the ecu learns the codes, not the other way round?

jug - Its off topic a bit, but I'm looking into system2 coding at the moment and it looks highly likely that the password code can be retrieved if you have a working system/car without too much trouble. I'll post when I'm nearer to a solution.
Tony.

i'll be over the moon if you can do it, and my girlfriend will give me some extra loving if i get her punto remote key sorted so please please please figure it out.

jug said:

if i got a second hand remote key i'd just program it into the ecu using the insert each key method, then program the remote into the alarm by holding the small button on the courtesy light and then pressing the remote button. you program the key into the immobiliser seperately to the alarm, in the same way fiat would program a new key into the car. the 4 digit code is for the fiat code system2, which wouldnt have a red key. if you have a red key you're on system1 so you dont need a 4 digit code. the red key is the ecu unlock code. they scrapped the red key for system2 prefering to hold a database of codes for UK cars only, meaning if you have an import you're screwed (my girlfriend's mk2 punto).

i've heard people talk about this accelerator pedal pressing thing before, and also the idea that an uncoded key gets coded by this process. as far as im aware thats not true, keys come precoded, the ecu learns the codes, not the other way round?

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Doesn't work that way Jug. Not if you read the very very small print. No Bravo/Brava or Marea ever went to Fiat Code System2. Most codes for the Bravo/a n Marea are kept on the security register, from the Radio code to the alarm 4 digit codes for both fobs to emergency code for emergency start. Some older Bravo/a's n Mareas may not be able to get the codes as they will be too old for Fiat to care to keep them. Fiat themselves have told me. However most codes are kept on the security register whether system1 or 2. Not sure where you get your info from.

The alarm does work off a button in the ceiling light, correct. But if you arm and disarm your car 30 times, the function to add new fobs will be locked out. You will need the existing four digit codes or a virgin alarm receiver to enable that function.

yes red key is system1. all bravo's and brava's are system1. my girlfriend's mk2 punto sporting is system2 (no red key and a little number 2 on each key blank). fiat started to hold the ecu unlock codes on system2 because uk insurance companies would not accept a code card, which is what foreign system2 cars have. my girlfriend's car is an import and the code card is lost so there is no record on earth of what the code is, i've contacted fiat uk and they put me in touch with fiat italy (i think) who confirmed that i'm stuck and there si no way to recover the code.

fiat didnt keep a register on system1, which is why the red key is important, if fiat did keep a register from system1 then a red key replacement would cost the same as any other key, but they cant make red keys because they dont have the codes. fiat told me that as well, right after i offered them money to make a red key. if they really do have the codes why havent they made a replacement red key for a single person on this forum?

my alarm accepts new remotes at the touch of a button. i could program your remote into my car in seconds. i've tried it, and i've told other people to do it and its worked for them too. it shouldnt really be that easy and i think its a security issue, but it works. the 30 arm/disarm limit is obviously wrong. try it.

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yes red key is system1. all bravo's and brava's are system1. my girlfriend's mk2 punto sporting is system2 (no red key and a little number 2 on each key blank). fiat started to hold the ecu unlock codes on system2 because uk insurance companies would not accept a code card, which is what foreign system2 cars have. my girlfriend's car is an import and the code card is lost so there is no record on earth of what the code is, i've contacted fiat uk and they put me in touch with fiat italy (i think) who confirmed that i'm stuck and there si no way to recover the code.

fiat didnt keep a register on system1, which is why the red key is important, if fiat did keep a register from system1 then a red key replacement would cost the same as any other key, but they cant make red keys because they dont have the codes. fiat told me that as well, right after i offered them money to make a red key. if they really do have the codes why havent they made a replacement red key for a single person on this forum?

my alarm accepts new remotes at the touch of a button. i could program your remote into my car in seconds. i've tried it, and i've told other people to do it and its worked for them too. it shouldnt really be that easy and i think its a security issue, but it works. the 30 arm/disarm limit is obviously wrong. try it.

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I've had two Bravo's. One was an imported 1999 Fiat Bravo 1.8 GT and my current Bravo a 2001 Fiat Bravo 1.9 JTD. For both of these cars i've managed to get code cards for. Looks exactly like the one in your handbook. If you study the picture you'll notice it has nothing to do with the Red Key but blue keys. Hence why red keys cant be made with codes off a piece of plastic. There is an International Security Register for all Bravo/a's and Mareas. Code card info is available.

Jug explain the steps to connecting a new or old remote fob to the existing alarm. Is it by pressing the little button in the ceiling light and then pressing the fob button? Well i tried that and nothing.

I have the Fiat Technical Manual and it states if it wont accept it then the system is locked down, after X amount of arms/disarms of the alarm. To open the system again use the four digit code with the the ceiling light or buy a virgin alarm roof receiver.

If its so easy, what am i doing wrong?

As stated before I'm sure, the phase 1 keys as supplied to fiat by Megamos do not have any re-programmable ram in them. Fiat only have supplies of pre-programmed keys, (laser cut at manufacture). So if Fiat kept a record of the key codes, then how would they be able to supply a replacement from their pre-programmed stocks?. Compatable re-programmable keys is the answer that the after-market have to offer. Immobiliser codes can be read and the key-codes recovered for about £50, and keys programmed from this data quite easily. BTW codes can be written to plastic cards just as easily
Tony.

sorry you are quite right, i should have made it clear that you need to use the alarm 4 digit code when using the ceiling light button to programme new or second hand keyfobs in. that 4 digit code is on a paper sticker (i have 2 copies) that should be stuck onto the keyring with your red key (bad idea so no surprise if they're missing). if this number is missing fiat can give you a copy on the spot via email, just take your log book and driving license.

i thought you were saying that my alarm should be locked out even if i use the code, but i get it now, i wasnt clear enough in my first post and assumed people knew you used the alarm code for programming remotes into the alarm (wrong to assume anything i know).

i cant get the ecu unlock code for my girlfriend's mk2 punto sporting. even when i offered to pay £100 for it they said it cant be done. i need that code for programming a key and remote into the ecu. there is no alarm on the mk2 sporting so there is only 1 code to programme both key code and remote. thats the problem i have, how do i get a code from a system2 import with no code card?

i'm currently working with fiat ireland on a soluton but so far they've said it cant be done. reg vardy fiat did say that they could change the ecu to a new one with a valid UK code on record and then programme my existing keys into it but i didnt even let them give me a price.

jug- feel quite confident that the code can be retrieved fairly easily, but only just starting to look at that, maybe have an answer in a couple of weeks.
Tony.

top marks if you can do it