Hello everyone. I recently bought a 2000 X reg Broom yellow Bravo HGT and am extremely pleased with it. In terrific condition, fantastic performance and everything works! Or should I say NEARLY everything works. When I collected the car, the remote-central lockng worked. The next day it didn't. I have two blue remote key fobs and I have changed the batteries. The led lights flicker on but the lockng does not work with either key (lock or unlock). The led on the dash does not come on.
I booked the car into my local Fiat dealership today and took all keys including the red master key. They obtained the 'code' from the International Security Register and attempted to reset the system. Unfortunately the code they were given does not work with my car. They say that the code is incorrect! and so the remote locking cannot be repaired.
I have all of my cars service history from day one and there is no mention of any key or ECU change and so I am at a loss as to why the provided code doesn't match my car.
At the risk of going over old threads, for which I apologise, does anybody know if there is a way that I can get my remote-locking working? All three keys start the car and there are no immobiliser problems. Is there anybody out there that is able to interrogate the system to find the code?
I know that a lot of owners wouldn't bother, but I am the sort of person who, if a car has a certain bit of kit, likes it to work. If I can't get it working, I know that I will lose interest in a great car and end up selling it. I don't want to do that so PLEASE help!!!! Thank you. Tim :bang:

if you want to retrieve your remote codes you need the help of tony
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/datarecall/

i think it only costs £10, which is an absolute bargain.

in my opinion your problem is the power supply to the alarm, your remotes worked fine one day and not the next, so the alarm must have either failed or its power supply has failed, usually thats due to a blown fuse.

jug said:

if you want to retrieve your remote codes you need the help of tony
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/datarecall/

it only costs £10, which is an absolute bargain.

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:yeahthat: he is very helpful and trustworthy i had the same problem with mine, i sent him my keys and he sent them back with the codes that are stored in the alarm and i have never had a days trouble since, and have programmed an extra 2 keys from the one he read for me.

Thank you both very much for the information and the really quick response. I will take your advice and get the keys sorted out this way. At only £10 it is obviously a bargain. It will be interesting to see what code he comes up with- the Fiat dealer has given me the print out from their code request and so I can easily see if it comes up the same. I will let you know how I get on.
Thanks again! Tim

Fiat dont carry the Alarm codes for the MK2 Bravo, which is what yours is. From new Fiat put them on paper tags attached to the blue keys. But if your was working then stopped the next day i wouldn't bother getting the codes, it'll be a faulty unit, wiring fault or fuse has blown. You'll need check why your central locking has stopped aswell as the alarm.

Thank you for the information. I didn't realise that owning a Bravo could be so much fun!! So if the codes were attached to the keys when new, what is the code that the Fiat dealer acquired? Would this be something to do with emergency starting procedure or something else?
Going back to my problem, I have now had some success. When I bought the car three weeks ago, the remote locking/unlocking worked but stopped suddenly the following day. Thinking back to then, I was sure that only one of the blue keys worked and that was the older, more worn key (probably original). The second, much newer key has never, as far as I can remember, worked. I opened them both up today and had a good look. Lo and behold, I discovered that the tiny switch that should be soldered to the circuit board had broken off (old key), but unfortunately fell to bits in my hand. I went out to my car and bridged the terminals on the circuit board and the remote locking/unlocking worked! I just need to find an old key on ebay that I can remove the switch from and solder it to my circuit board. Hey presto!-one working key. I am sure that the newer key has never been programmed and I will be sending both to Tony to retrieve the codes. Hopefully, the new key can then be programmed.
Its funny how I feel much better about the car knowing now that the remote locking does work. It just needs a bit of time!
Thanks again for invaluable advice.
Tim

JoskeJTD said:

Fiat dont carry the Alarm codes for the MK2 Bravo, which is what yours is. From new Fiat put them on paper tags attached to the blue keys. But if your was working then stopped the next day i wouldn't bother getting the codes, it'll be a faulty unit, wiring fault or fuse has blown. You'll need check why your central locking has stopped aswell as the alarm.

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that is not correct joske alot of times the keys can lose their codes when you change the batteries which is what happened to mine and after Tony redd the codes i managed to reprogram the keys into the system.

bandido41 said:

that is not correct joske alot of times the keys can lose their codes when you change the batteries

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the remote will start from the beginning of the rolling code sequence if the battery is dead or removed for too long. then the remote becomes out of sync with the car and need to be programmed again.

Hello again. Just to update on my problem. I have now had my keys read by Tony and have both the codes. The newer key that has never worked the remote lock/unlock has the same code as the code supplied to the Fiat dealer, which, the dealer tells me is the wrong one!! However, the older key has a different number. This key did work the remote lock/unlock but as I previously said, the small switch on the circuit board has broken off. I have now bought a spare key off ebay and did intend to remove the switch and solder it to my keys circuit board, giving one functional key. Unfortunately, I only have a normal size solder iron and as this switch is tiny, I am not that confident in doing the job. Has anyone done this job? and more to the point, is anyone able to do it for me? I will obviously pay for your time.
I have tried to program the other newer key but as luck would have it, the led on the remote receiver doesn't work and although I have tried, it is nigh on impossible to guess the sequence without the led!!
If I buy a brand new receiver and program my keys into it, will it work, or does it have to be matched to the rest of the system. After all, it is only a receiver for the remote lock/unlock and alarm isn't it!!!!!!??
Cheers everyone. Tim

Kel280green said:

Has anyone done this job? and more to the point, is anyone able to do it for me? I will obviously pay for your time.

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you can sue a big soldering iron, i've done it loads of times, all it takes is a quick touch and its done. if you really dont feel up to it, you can post it to me and i'll do it for free.

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I have tried to program the other newer key but as luck would have it, the led on the remote receiver doesn't work and although I have tried, it is nigh on impossible to guess the sequence without the led!!
If I buy a brand new receiver and program my keys into it, will it work, or does it have to be matched to the rest of the system. After all, it is only a receiver for the remote lock/unlock and alarm isn't it!!!!!!??
Cheers everyone. Tim

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no LED suggests the problem isnt the code, you've got no power to the alarm. you need to check the fuse for the alarm (in engine bay). its possible your alarm module is faulty.

Hi Jug. Thanks for offer. I am going to try to desolder the 'new' switch off of the spare key that I have bought. I will try to solder it to my keys circuit board, but if no good, I will take up your offer.
The alarm receiver is working because my old key (with the broken switch) will work (i.e. remotely lock/unlock & set alarm) if I bridge the terminals where the switch was.
On my receiver (by courtesy light), the push-button is on the drivers side and the led, or remains of, is on the passenger side. My handbook states that they are the other way round, so I think that someone previously has attempted to push the 'switch' with a pointed object, not realising it was the led and therefore broken it. This doesn't seem to have had any adverse effect on the workings of the system except for the problem reprogramming remotes with no led, hence my question about buying a new receiver.
Thanks again for help Jug- certainly a wealth of knowledge as far as Fiats are concerned and a godsend to new Fiat owners!!!

Kel280green said:

The alarm receiver is working because my old key (with the broken switch) will work (i.e. remotely lock/unlock & set alarm) if I bridge the terminals where the switch was.

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good popint, i forgot about that.

LED's a pretty bullet proof so its surprising that it doesnt work.

Kel280green said:

On my receiver (by courtesy light), the push-button is on the drivers side and the led, or remains of, is on the passenger side. My handbook states that they are the other way round, so I think that someone previously has attempted to push the 'switch' with a pointed object, not realising it was the led and therefore broken it.

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you should be a detective

Kel280green said:

This doesn't seem to have had any adverse effect on the workings of the system except for the problem reprogramming remotes with no led, hence my question about buying a new receiver.

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the receiver is not coded to anything, so you can replace it with a scrapyard part cheaply and easily.

Jug and Co- Done some further investigation on the receiver and a couple of things have come to light.
According to the w/s manual when loading original key/s the last key to go in is copied also into alarm module making it specific to a master remote and receiver. Also when adding remotes the master unlock code is required to allow the new key to operate alarm as well as central locking.
It makes hard reading but look at the N.B. at end of info.
Cant try anything here but I think that alarm operation needs a further look at.
Looking at the receiver data it seems likely that an original key should work provided that it is thoroughly discharged. The reason being, why would the designer bother to store the original rolling code never to use it again?.

Maybe remove batteries and short out all uP terminals until cmos has zero voltage to keep ram programmed. Need to look at that further.

I believe you can use a new virgin receiver and it will load in remotes ok, but a scrappy one will need to be reset internally ie, to virgin, to get operating again.
If you are stuck I can get a slim LED from somewhere and fit switch etc for free.

Well, I have now removed the switch from the spare key I bought off ebay AND succesfully soldered it to my keys circuit board. Putting the key back together, I pushed the button and it works!!!
I went out and tried it on the car and it locks, unlocks and sets & disarms the alarm as it should. I now have one fully working key and have got my remote lock/unlock back. Great feeling
I have also spoken to my nearest Fiat dealer today and have been quoted £160 for a new receiver. Apparently it comes as a complete unit including the courtesy lights etc (it would wouldn't it!!) and can be programmed with both of my keys quite easily (their words, not mine). Before taking the plunge, I will have a look at my receiver to see if I can replace the led, courtesy of Maplins. After all, it does work, only the led is broken. The led, as we all know is important when programming another key.
Well, thats the remote working and a brand new set of tailored mats all in one day! Its funny how the little things can make you feel so much better about your car. Thanks everyone. Tim

Great stuff, also good to hear the dealer being helpful.