Technical Airbag ECUs interchangeable?

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Technical Airbag ECUs interchangeable?

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I've just taken out my Airbag ECU as I have replaced all the airbags and the dash of my 500. The secondhand airbag kit I got contains the left hand metal cased ECU and the one on the right, the normal black plastic cased one is the same as the one that is in the car now.

My question is, does anyone know if you can replace one with the other. They are both out of Fiat 500 Lounge models.

In case anyone was wondering, my experience is so far that if only replacing seatbelts and pretensioners and curtain airbags the ECU can be cleared using MultiECUScan but if the dashboard/steering/knee ones have been replaced, it won't clear. This is the 3rd one like that.

I'm sure one of you clever lot will know.
 

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I applaud you for undertaking jobs like this, but surely they are best left for experts with the correct training, knowledge and diagnostic equipment. The worry I have, is that without it, you won't know whether you have undertaken the job correctly until you or the next owner have a crash and find out that the airbags were correctly deployed.
 
I know I am doing the job right as the diagnostics would tell me if I hadn't. All the airbags are originals from a donor car that is either the same age or newer. They are actually really easy to fit. They are only bolted in place and the plugs plugged in. As long as you disconnect the battery when you start work then it's safe.

Once all fitted, diagnostics are run to make sure they are all working. There is no danger of them not functioning in a crash. No more than a factory car.
 
Sorry I misread your post, I thought you didn't know and were asking for advice from others.
 
Looking at ePER:
The black one, 51918659 is listed for models 2012-> and is one of two different specs.
The silver one, 51918659 is listed for models 2009 - 2012 and is one of 5 different specs.

Sorry, that probably isn't any help, but if mine, I'd be looking for one with the same number on as the one taken out.

I suppose, if you fit an alternative, either the ECUs will accept it, or tell you that it wont.
 
Yes I think you're probably right. The metal one did come out of a pre 2012 car. I might try it, I suppose I can plug it in without doing up the bolts. If it doesn't work I will just have to send the plastic one off to be reset. Thanks for looking that up.
 
I applaud you for undertaking jobs like this, but surely they are best left for experts with the correct training, knowledge and diagnostic equipment. The worry I have, is that without it, you won't know whether you have undertaken the job correctly until you or the next owner have a crash and find out that the airbags were correctly deployed.

I can see, and have sympathy with, both sides of this argument.

On any car - even one you have just bought new and driven out of the showroom after a full and properly conducted PDI - there is a remote possibility the airbag system may malfunction. There is a very tiny probability that an airbag might not deploy correctly in the case of a serious crash, and an even smaller probability that one might unexpectedly deploy during normal driving and cause a serious crash. (On early RHD 500's, the first situation was actually quite likely as the original software was not fit for purpose; there is a VOSA recall over this issue).

Repairing an airbag system after it has been deployed may increase these risks and it is self evident that if the system is not restored to full working order these risks escalate rapidly. Equally a rebuilt airbag system will work exactly as intended if the job is done correctly using parts which are fully functional.

Professional repairs to airbag systems are frighteningly expensive - most cars are written off if the airbags have deployed in an accident. Getting access to both suitable parts and the necessary technical information is fraught with problems - new airbag components are extremely costly and the relevant information is not easy to find in the public domain. Secondhand parts may make an otherwise uneconomic repair possible, but there is no way of guaranteeing their integrity. If not correctly stored, they may not function properly when needed; in particular, there is no way of knowing if they have not at some point suffered from water incursion; never a good thing for explosives.

Manufacturers and franchised dealers hold most of the cards and, were it not for the work done by the likes of the OP, many otherwise repairable vehicles would be writted off. Building an open knowledge base, accessible to anyone with an internet connection, is our only real defense to being held to ransom whenever an airbag fault (or indeed a fault in any proprietary system) needs fixing.

That said, the risks of working on complex systems when the necessary parts and technical information are not available are not insignificant and even the most competent engineers can't mitigate them completely.

In some jurisdictions, salvaged airbag components cannot be sold or reused and it is unlawful for any person to work on an airbag system if they do not hold appropriate accreditation and certification. If this applied in the UK, it would certainly make life both more difficult and more expensive for anyone facing any kind of airbag issue outside warranty.

Another issue which can't be ignored today is the litigatious nature of our society. In the admittedly most unlikely event of the worst occurring, the current obsession with blame and punishment would likely make life extremely uncomfortable for anyone who had previously worked on a car involved in a fatal collision where the condition of the vehicle may have been a factor.

If someone were to lose their life as a result of an airbag failing to deploy, and it were subsequently found that the system had been previously repaired by an unqualified person using secondhand parts, that person would very likely be facing a mansaughter charge.
 
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I hope those laws never come to the UK. Let's put this into perspective. The likelihood of water finding its way into an airbag is extremely unlikely almost as unlikely as one if the many computers on a car not picking up a fault on a bag if there was one.

The extremely small risk of an airbag not deploying is so minuscule, you're more likely to trip over the kerb getting into your car and break your neck as you hit your head on the kerb.

Those that buy a repaired car are those that realise that the benefits of the money savings they make getting a nearly new car with low miles far outweigh any minuscule risk that the car is an accident waiting to happen. The only reason most cars are a Cat C rather than a Cat D is due to even one airbag blowing. I have repaired 3 cars that gave a seat airbag and curtain airbag blown, both of which gave been replaced within an hour. The only other damage being a dented door. The people who bought these cars got a car that was as good as one that hadn't had an accident.

I take before, during and after pictures of all the cars i repair which I offer to prospective buyers to see.
 
I changed the airbag ECU today, they are interchangeable however two ECUs I had had crash data on them, both different crash data which is a bit weird as neither were in crashes that's deployed any airbags. Have sent them both off to be reset as ECU scan won't do it.
 
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