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Old 2 Weeks Ago   #16
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Re: Headlamp pods (again)

I don't think my pods raise when 'flashing'
The only way to raise the headlight pods is sliding the lighting switch on with the ignition on.

LEDs - In my humble, the technology is coming along but really good versions are still expensive and I rarely drive my car a night or in the rain. As I said, DLRs fitted were small and discrete as possible 'cause they shouldn't be there but I felt other drivers would become used to seeing every car with these sort of lights and may not register unlit cars.
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I think the standard situation is that the pods do raise (and very quickly) when I flash in the daylight (!), otherwise the headlamps would flash within the lowered pod to no purpose. I will check this though when I drive this weekend. Don't forget, my pods started to work again after flashing and driving on headlamps for a while.

I agree about visibility, I get people pulling out on me all the time in the car or when I am on the motorbike (even with lights full on the latter).

Surely if you don't drive in the rain, from my happy memories of Bonnie Scotland, you'd be driving even less than me!!
Edit: I now see you are in Rugby not Scotland- my experiences of the Midlands are not much dryer, either!
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Ok, nice weather and out driving today. My Pods definitely do not raise on Flash!
Think you prob. may be that it is strange - sorry I mean special - insofar that your electrics are uncommon and not documented! (unless someone can come up with a wiring diagram).
1. Dim dip. 2. The way your Pods operate. 3. The interior lights / hazard flasher issue.

What age is your car / details ??
Where abouts are you RDS?
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Yes, Scotty, I bet it was nice driving today: sadly I was working inside on other stuff! It is just not fair.

Not sure that the "dim-headlamps-on-first-slider-position" is that uncommon: seems the US cars are like that from comments on the other website. The pods I will verify when (ok I mean IF) I get to drive car over the weekend.

The other issues are intermittent: I suspect that the installation of the dealer-fit immobiliser/alarm when new has confronted to a lot of issues: the same happened when my father had a mobile auto electrician fit one into his car back in the 80s and all went haywire.

I am in sunny southeast.
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Yep, grateful for the dry weather indeed.
DimDip US side, I downloaded from the Greek X1/9 site, bits of a federal workshop manual which is useful for most bits that tend to be common. Will checkout their wiring diagrams and get back to you on that.
Ha!, the ol immobiliser. OMG, I fitted one to my car a year or two ago, I knew what I was doing but had to document and draw out my circuit diagram for the installation so I could understand the whole picture. If I met a person that has also went into that level of detail, well !! Anyhoo I bet that has something to do with your hazard flasher / interior lights issue.
As to the dim dip, if that is factory and was an old version of course of todays LED and halogen (cheap version!) DRLs then its safe to assume the pods would be needed to raise for them to be seen and (to be checked) could well impact the pod raising issue.
Timing is strange as I recall fellow engineers in Jaguar Electrical deriding this new dim dip legislation due soon (that was in 1985).
Here is an extract on what Wikipedia had to say on it:- "Dim-dip lamps[edit]
UK regulations briefly required vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1987 to be equipped with a dim-dip device[41] or special running lamps, except such vehicles as comply fully with UN Regulation 48 regarding installation of lighting equipment. A dim-dip device operates the low beam headlamps (called "dipped beam" in the UK) at between 10% and 20% of normal low-beam intensity. The running lamps permitted as an alternative to dim-dip were required to emit at least 200 candela straight ahead, and no more than 800 candela in any direction. In practice, most vehicles were equipped with the dim-dip option rather than the running lamps.[41]

The dim-dip systems were not intended for daytime use as DRLs. Rather, they operated if the engine was running and the driver switched on the parking lamps (called "sidelights" in the UK). Dim-dip was intended to provide a nighttime "town beam" with intensity between that of the parking lamps commonly used at the time by British drivers in city traffic after dark, and dipped (low) beams; the former were considered insufficiently intense to provide improved conspicuity in conditions requiring it, while the latter were considered too glaring for safe use in built-up areas. The UK was the only country to require such dim-dip systems, though vehicles so equipped were sold in other Commonwealth countries with left-hand traffic.[42]

In 1988, the European Commission successfully prosecuted the UK government in the European Court of Justice, arguing that the UK requirement for dim-dip was illegal under EC directives prohibiting member states from enacting vehicle lighting requirements not contained in pan-European EC directives. As a result, the UK requirement for dim-dip was quashed.[41] Nevertheless, dim-dip systems remain permitted, and while such systems are not presently as common as they once were, dim-dip functionality was fitted on many new cars well into the 1990s.
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The south east, ok just thought if you were closer I would offer to have a wee look, but my Thatcham alarm immobiliser was extremely involved to fit (took the dash apart) and would be hard to do from a distance. In fact I fitted one way back when I bought mine in 88 and when working on it recently I decided that I couldn't put my hands on the circuits from 30+ years ago so I decided just to buy a now kit and replace the one from the 80s.
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Hello Scotty

well the weather is still holding but I have not had the top off - what a waste!

I am impressed with your perseverance and your in-depth research. Yes please do check out the wiring diagrams if you are inclined; it will be good resource for others who may read this thread.

The dealer installed immobiliser worked by grounding out the coil via the tacho AND tapped into the hazard flasher circuit using Scotch-locks (tell me they are not invented by Scotts, please!). Removing as much as possible of the connections in the rats next above the fusebox was great fun. Not. As you say this may be a source of the issue.

Turning to the flash to pass and the pods, my memory plays tricks. I tested it on Saturday night and again last night. You are right, pulling back the mainbeam stalk with the lighting switch off and therefore the pods down, does not raise the pods (as I am sure it did before I had the issues) - this is therefore a useless feature in daylight unless one has fitted driving lights using the spare hardness connectors within the pod hatches (as have I). I do not know why I recalled the pods raising unless I am inadvertently recalling a friend's TR7 from many years ago. When I fit the relay bank and Panda switch, I will be interested to see what happens then

My memory is now suspect because over the weekend, I also managed to forget to bring with me my new packet of 4.8mm spade terminals needed for connecting the relay bank to the headlamp slider switch and block connector. Most annoyed.

Regarding the dim-dip ie town setting, I quite like it because in truth in town there is no real need to use anything brighter: the LED street lights are very bright. Anyhow, I used to just use sidelights in my first car way back so this is a slight improvement and will keep the function. As a motorcyclist, I am rather against (mandatory) DRLs because that removes the differentiation between the two transport modes in daylight and the human brain is getting used to dismissing the light as it is constant with negative effects on seeing m/c's approaching: cars pulling out on approaching m/cs is too prevalent.

Interesting political slant on this problem there as well! I never knew that - will be good item to bring up in radio phone-ins where the presenter wants examples of EU interference, to prove his point one way or the other - before being cut off.

Thank you very much for the kind offer but as you say, the practicalities of distance intervene. I do not blame you for fitting a new kit; makes total sense. Nevertheless, immobilisers may not be the whole answer: a friend has had his MG stolen from a residential London street, just like that.

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