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Old 18-05-2005   #1
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Changing hydraulic clutch gearbox to take a cable clutch?

I need to change the gearbox on my Uno (1108 Fire engine).

I've got a cable clutch, but ringing around the breakers all I can find is a gearbox for a hydraulic clutch.

Its quite a distance to go pick it up so I haven't seen it yet.

Will the 'hydraulic clutch' gearbox be able to take the fiitings for a cable clutch?

Or is there no way you can fit a cable clutch to a gearbox that originally had an hydraulic clutch fitted?

I'm hoping I'll be able to take the cable clutch brackets off my old gearbox and fit them to the hydraulic clutch gearbox.
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Not sure if it can be done TBH.

The C514 box is the one with Hydraulic Clutch the C513 is the same box with a clutch cable available outside the UK – right Morten?

On these later boxes I think the linkage is different as the gear shifter has 2 cables – 1 for Reverse inhibitor – can’t remember what the other one if for.

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Re: Changing hydraulic clutch gearbox to take a cable clutch?

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Not sure if it can be done TBH.

The C514 box is the one with Hydraulic Clutch the C513 is the same box with a clutch cable available outside the UK – right Morten?

On these later boxes I think the linkage is different as the gear shifter has 2 cables – 1 for Reverse inhibitor – can’t remember what the other one if for.

Good Luck,
They are totally different g/boxes. The gear linkages are totally different ie old style is rod, new one is cables, and the driveshafts are different. The new one was designed for the Mk I Punto.

Probably could be made to fit, but not without a lot of work and effort for very little gain.

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Re: Changing hydraulic clutch gearbox to take a cable clutch?

C514 uses a cable clutch, it's the one used on most fire engines. (the one with the reverse push down thing and one rod and a cable shifteing mechanism)
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Re: Changing hydraulic clutch gearbox to take a cable clutch?

I mean the gear boxes are the same. Difference is cable (c513) vs. hydraulic (c514).

Strange, I can´t find my old thread about this either.

On these boxes you can´t see any levers / rods under the car. There are also cable(s). The gear linkage system is attached to a bracked which holds the steering rack in place, and makes it a freakin´shait to replace - just to mention, because I´ve done it... (speaking of the steering rack).

Beware I can be totally wrong...

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Re: Changing hydraulic clutch gearbox to take a cable clutch?

Job done...

changed my old cable gearbox for the 'hydraulic' gearbox at the weekend and put a new clutch in too. The old one was in a sad state! The new one feels a lot lighter.

I had to swap over the clutch cable mounting brackets. Also the clutch shaft and fork too.

Wasn't much extra work involved although it was a long day.

Having a Fiat ePER parts CD helped to show what bits I needed to swap.

Its good to have 3rd gear back. Like all my old Uno's 3rd the 'new' gearbox gives a tiny synchro yelp if you change too fast.
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Re: Changing hydraulic clutch gearbox to take a cable clutch?

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Job done...

changed my old cable gearbox for the 'hydraulic' gearbox at the weekend and put a new clutch in too. The old one was in a sad state! The new one feels a lot lighter.

I had to swap over the clutch cable mounting brackets. Also the clutch shaft and fork too.

Wasn't much extra work involved although it was a long day.

Having a Fiat ePER parts CD helped to show what bits I needed to swap.

Its good to have 3rd gear back. Like all my old Uno's 3rd the 'new' gearbox gives a tiny synchro yelp if you change too fast.
Well Done - Wouldn't have thought it would be possible, could you put a post up stating the main jobs you did to do this job and the order they were done in ?

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Re: Changing hydraulic clutch gearbox to take a cable clutch?

I just found this thread so thought I would add my 2cents.

I upgraded my uno from the 999 with cable clutch to a 1108 which had the hydraulic setup. I had considered changing the gearbox to a cable setup but Alex convinced me to convert my whole setup to hydraulic. So I removed the pedal box and put in the pedal box from the donor car, I then drilled a hole in the firewall for the low pressure feed and bolted it all together. Now I have a lovely hydraulic setup and a 5-speed box
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Re: Changing hydraulic clutch gearbox to take a cable clutch?

Yeah, I don't really like cable clutches any more, after seeing what happens on the Uno Turbo with its various pulleys and the cable running near the maybe-red-hot turbocharger.

The hydraulic clutches are more reliable than I would have expected; my X1/9 appears to be running the original blue fluid (!) and in theory the hydraulic clutch should be a bit lighter because the fluid doesn't have the friction of a cable. It would be interesting to know if this is really the case...

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Re: Changing hydraulic clutch gearbox to take a cable clutch?

I think your right Alex think about the handbrake action compared to pressing the hydraulic foot brake.
My g/fs car is a liitle fiesta and her clutch cable gives my right leg a good work out when I drive it.
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