Tuning 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

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Tuning 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

Greta thread mate (just found it)
I'm dying to get a t jet in my seicento but having to settle for turboing my 1.4 8v until funds allow. There also doesnt appear to be many people crashing the t jets at the mo so getting hold of one is a major headache.
Hope your now well? :)
 
I am well now thanks guys. I have taken it easy this weekend on advice, even though I have been dying to put the Uno together. Next weekend is free to get the gearbox back on and hydraulics sorted. I hope the clutch works, there are quite a few unknowns there. The gearbox is back together and selecting all gears this time!
 
Well, it seems I am always optimistic when it comes to time-scales of car work. Small jobs turn into large ones, large ones are surprisingly easy and then everything stops when you don't have the right bit. Thank God I don't do it for a living!

Show-stopper was the clutch pipe again. I meant to borrow pipe flaring tools from a local garage who owe me for screwing up the first one. Due to beer and a week of hard work, I got up late on Saturday and they were closed when I got to them at 11am. So I was limited in how far I would get from the start, so only spent rest of Saturday on it and decided to do a mini-service on my Panda 100HP on Sunday instead. Uno-wise, I managed to get the gearbox on and mounted, driveshafts connected, radiator and some pipes in.

Just the intercooler, intake pipework and the flipping clutch pipe to fit. Oil in gearbox and bleed brake/clutch system. Next weekend? I hope so! Might even do some during the week. The darkness and extra cold really hinder the motivation I find.
 
So I was limited in how far I would get from the start, so only spent rest of Saturday on it and decided to do a mini-service on my Panda 100HP on Sunday instead.

Hehe... "mini-service" reminds me of Ed on Wheeler Dealers (a programme I've watched on YouTube, never been on TV here). He'll give a Ferrari a 'mini service' ;)

Good idea anyway, I always find that if I can't get on with some big job, at least go and do something small on another car. Nice to have one car fully ship-shape at all times.

The darkness and extra cold really hinder the motivation I find.

Fair enough too.
I wanted to get on with a respray on my 164, but I've decided to fix someone else's 164 instead and lend him mine as-is. I'll be changing the clutch, rebuilding the starter motor, replacing suspension bushes and balljoints, and replacing the water pump and cambelt.

-Alex
 
@lewey
At least you get forward, step by step. Better than me. It´s -2.5°C here
No chance to work in my garage.


@Alex
Wheeler Dealers is one of my favourite programs. Nice hints for everyday
garage work. It´s running on TV here with German translation:
http://www.dmax.de/
A channel for men :slayer:

I like it, because it the closest to reality .
Top Gear is cool but who is working on 150.000 € Supercars ? :rolleyes:
Not me ...
 
Well, I got everything back together and fitted the newly flared clutch pipe and filled the box with oil and was thinking about bleeding the brakes and going for a drive. I started the engine and ran it for a bit to see if that was all correct and after a while noticed oil very slowly leaking from the bottom of the gearbox case. Not again! :(

I have narrowed it down to the driver's side driveshaft/differential oil seal. I can clearly see oil whisking around the housing there with the car on stands and the engine running/wheels slowly turning. It is bad enough to require fixing now unfortunately. Thinning the oil in there a little by just running the engine for a while seems enough to allow it to come out. I'm a bit worried that it indicates more than just a naff seal. I should have replaced it when I had the box apart, but it looked mint. I think that the driveshaft may not be creating a seal against it properly due to being 10mm or so further out of the diff than specification. The shaft does taper towards the splined end and it just might start to taper a bit too early. Something that will now require some proper testing, although I I would have thought I would have noticed. So it seems inevitable that it all has to come out again. One thing is for sure though; I'm going to be testing for leaks (and other problems) before I put the box in the car this time!

Sulking now, but will be back at it when I can next make a weekend free.
 
Removed box once again and have found obvious damage to the differential oil seal. Good news I suppose. It triggered a memory that may have been the cause of the damage. When I was dressing the gearbox with stuff before putting it back in last time I remember tapping the short half-shaft into the box for no other reason than somewhere to put it and why not as it has to go in at some time. Only problem is I tapped it into the wrong side of the differential housing. I realised as I brought the box nearer to the car to fit it and tapped it out again to put it into the other side. I have since learnt that the seals on each side are different, with the O/S one I damaged being a smaller diameter. As this was literally the last time I could see the seal because it went straight onto the engine, this is why it happened to what I thought was a checked good seal.

So fate dealt a curious hand last night. I spotted a VERY low mileage Grande Punto 1.3 MultiJet gearbox on eBay that I offered £140 for, which was accepted. Went and got it from Preston, complete with gearlever mechanism with housing and double bowden cables still attached. Giving serious thought to using the cables now as they are just better in every way I can think of including weight!

The reason I got yet another gearbox is because although it is handy that FIAT keep using old box designs for me to use in old cars, they do trend towards lower and lower final drives due to the larger and larger standard wheel sizes on cars these days. This means the Uno Turbo ratios now look really long and a tuned Uno could always do with longer ratios. Part of the solution is to use larger wheel diameters and the other is to get the right box. The Abarth 500 is pretty good, but rare as hell to buy and probably least likely to be in good nick. The diesel boxes are a great alternative with even higher 4ths and 5ths and can be found for a fraction of the cost an "Abarth" box will fetch. The reason we can't just use the fab UT box is boxes of this age are not compatible with the FIRE bellhousing due to shaft diameters. I could get an older box from other non-current model cars, but how often do you come across a 1500 mile gearbox from a 10 year old car?

Below is one of my comparison sheets I've made up based on part numbers with known tooth counts as opposed to the often wrong manuals and other hearsay.

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And here are the gear/speed projections using a simple Excel calculator...

Standard Mk2 Uno Turbo including wheels/tyres:
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195/50r15s with Uno Turbo box (my previous engine setup):
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195/50r15s with GP T-Jet box (was about to use):
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195/50r15s with GP 1.3 MultiJet Diesel box (the proposed setup)
15s_GP_diesel_ratios.gif


So, if you are still reading this, the conclusion is I will have a little lower ratios in all but 5th over the UT box, but it is the best I can do I think. Certainly better than the T-jet box (which was free) and I'm now sort-of glad it had to come out again!

One day, I hope another person will do this conversion and be happy to read all this info. Or maybe it is me in the future when I forget why I used the parts I did!
 
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Excellent info Lewey, im sure there will be a few contemplating this conversion for their Uno in the future.

Cable change is an added bonus also, good to ditch all the associated agricultural linkages :)
 
Oh yes, I have a new deadline for roadworthiness. I am going on a 3 day driving holiday in glorious Wales with 5 friends, each in their own cars on April 25-27, with 27th being spent all day at Oulton Park on track. Really hope to have had a bit of driving/teething time before then so the pressure is really on now! Don't have a rev counter solution yet!

CALLING LOUIE BEE! I know you wanted to see this going and Oulton is right by you and all that.
 
Mindblowing degree of info there Lewey, cant get my head round it at all, but it looks superb!

Having two boxes with different ratios means you`ll be able to swap gears around after you`ve given it a few circuits, not that I think your gonna be in the mood for gearbox dismantling for a while after all ths! :D
 
Having two boxes with different ratios means you`ll be able to swap gears around after you`ve given it a few circuits, not that I think your gonna be in the mood for gearbox dismantling for a while after all ths! :D
Quite! I think if anything, I'll just want generally taller as I get more power. Because the first and second gears are part of the layshaft, it makes it hard if not impossible to get a proper motorsport 1st gear that I would like.

Well, I got up early this morning and spent all day creating my T-Jet/diesel/LSD/cable-control Frankenstein gearbox and I'm glad to say it went well, but did take all day without pause for food or anything else. The fear of having to track this thing in a month took hold! I am a bit sick of the sight of gearboxes, although quite good at assembling them now.

The Uno's days of sitting in the garage are numbered!
 
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