Dunc Uno Turbo said:

lewey, good news on the punto abarth engine! Good work! What BHP are these out the box? im guessing u didnt pay anywhere near the 2.5k of the 500 abarth engine? Are there any differences between the 500 abarth and punto abarth engines?

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I said "Abarth spec" because it is actually from a Bravo 150 Sport. Same engine part for part as the Abarth Grande Punto and same power output maps. The 500 Abarth is around 135HP because of a more restricted turbo, but is same actual engine otherwise.

So no red engine cover, but I probably wouldn't use it anyway. I paid less than £2500 for it though.

I am still fannying about with radiator and intercooler mounting, but may whip out the engine tomorrow after working out the pipes I need to buy.

Shame to see an UnoT lose it's excellent engine, the Lampredi engines are superb, though i can understand the choice to move to the newer, more reliable and greener engines, but i would imagine a lot of fun from the engine will be lost. Oversquare engines are so much more fun.

maddogmorg said:

Shame to see an UnoT lose it's excellent engine, the Lampredi engines are superb, though i can understand the choice to move to the newer, more reliable and greener engines, but i would imagine a lot of fun from the engine will be lost. Oversquare engines are so much more fun.

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It's not a shame for me, even if it is for others! Do you think it is a shame from an originality point of view? Almost nothing is original on the car anyway. The Lampredi engine was superb for the couple of hours it worked for me before the block cracked. "Fun" is a subjective term. I've spent a lot of money on cars recently and done no track driving for a while due to reliability of engines tuned to the max. When they break, it's not fun. My Panda had the oversquare 999cc engine in before which if fine. Is it more fun and more reliable in every respect with the 1368cc engine in? Yep. The Uno is a track car, so needs to be as powerful as possible, whilst remaining reliable. I hope that with a more powerful and reliable engine I will forget about it's undersquare nature and concentrate on the art and pleasure of driving the car as quickly as possible.

The old engine was dismantled for checking by GC. It's complete with a replacement block, clean and has all been checked as good if you want to buy it for a very good price. PM me.

I fully agree as to why it's being done, i just can't imagine the engine will have as much character.

A broken car is no fun as you say, and character of the engine is just a small part of the enjoyment of driving, Power is another element of the engine which is just as if not more important for track. Also being lighter coupled with your unos suspension set up it should be great fun.

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By character i mean the feel of the engine, the noise it makes, how freely it revs and where the power is and how you feel it in the seat, just generally how special it feels. a lot of this is subjective but an engine is just one part of the car, and it shouldn't be limited by it.

maddogmorg said:

By character i mean the feel of the engine, the noise it makes, how freely it revs and where the power is and how you feel it in the seat, just generally how special it feels. a lot of this is subjective but an engine is just one part of the car, and it shouldn't be limited by it.

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I don't think anyone could disagree with that!

My opinion of the retired engine's character wasn't a typical oversquare experience owing to the turbo in my opinion. Once you are running 200HP or so with a larger turbo charger, you seem to bulldozer over any character that might have been there and create a wall of power that starts at say 3000RPM and is relentless in it's consistency until you hit the rev limiter. It was like an on button for power. Not a complicated engine character, but a useful one for going fast.

it is very interisting topic, i am mohammad from egypt and i have fiat linea t-jet>
if u please for how much the engine with all parts costs u?
thanks

MNabeih said:

it is very interisting topic, i am mohammad from egypt and i have fiat linea t-jet>
if u please for how much the engine with all parts costs u?
thanks

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I was lucky and paid £700 for the latest engine with electronics, exhaust up to mid section and dashboard dials.

Been ill this weekend, so no progress other than done initial electrical wiring, good enough for starting and running engine from under the bonnet (with accelerator pedal in hand!). If everything goes very well, I should have the Abarth engine in and wired up for testing on Sunday. I'll take pics!

lewey said:

I was lucky and paid £700 for the latest engine with electronics, exhaust up to mid section and dashboard dials.

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Compare 700 GBP with how much it would cost to rebuild a standard UT engine and suddenly it looks like a bargain. Got me seriously thinking about going down this route!

Watching this thread attentively :slayer:

1368CC Turbo Fire engine, race honed fully set-up chassis that's the kinda stuff wet dreams are made of .

Yeah, I can't wait to get it on the track and have some fun.

Why the animation of a guy polishing an anvil?

lewey said:

Why the animation of a guy polishing an anvil?

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He's polishing his 'tool', not an anvil

Chas Uno said:

He's polishing his 'tool', not an anvil

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You so walked into that one! You don't know me well enough! :devil:

lewey said:

You don't know me well enough! :devil:

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I've only met you once, so yes. I thought you genuinely didn't know...

Chas Uno said:

I've only met you once, so yes. I thought you genuinely didn't know...

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Dry humour doesn't translate very well into computer text. Yes, we have only met once. Would have like to have spoken more than the little we did. I remember being distracted by GSR Peter somewhat and I didn't see you again.

Anyway, since when did anvils need polishing?

I blame Chris for lowering the tone of this thread.

lewey said:

I blame Chris for lowering the tone of this thread.

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I seem to get blamed for that a lot :chin: :devil:

Another option if you had space for a whole car

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300476913489&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

Cheers

Dave

Dave Henry said:

Another option if you had space for a whole car

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300476913489&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

Cheers

Dave

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"This listing () has been removed, or this item is not available."

Chas Uno said:

"This listing () has been removed, or this item is not available."

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I have noticed that if you copy links from eBay with some characters in it, they go wrong and the item number is lost when it gets to eBay.

Link is to a whole Bravo T-Jet 120.

I love the T-Jet, but I do already have two. Three is greedy.

Tested my wiring outside of the car with the dials and accelerator pedal on the engine and fiatECUScan on a laptop. It's a good result, with the immobiliser deactivating correctly and power going to coils and injectors. Response from the pedal is fine and readings seem normal, etc. Should be good enough to start the engine with in the near future.

Took 1st T-Jet engine out and have been dressing the new engine in preparation to put it in tomorrow.

Need to make a flare and put a union on a trimmed T-jet clutch hydraulic pipe to connect to the existing line and facilitate the use of the "hydraulic bearing" on the T-jet gearbox. Don't have kit and am loathed to spend £150 on something that I probably won't use ten times, so might actually have to pay someone to do something for me!

On the subject of clutch hydraulics, I was investigating throttle pedal mounting and realised the clutch master cylinder was leaking very badly. Hard to believe it worked at all a couple of months ago. It actually squirts out when you press the pedal. Bit strange.

Tomorrow
Wash the engine bay
Dress engine and mate gearbox
Put new engine and gearbox back in
Put oil in engine and box (if I can find gearbox oil)
Hook up fuel lines
Mount intercooler and pipe it in

I may go for a start. There won't be cooling, so it really will be a 10 second affair. If successful, it would be enough for me to be able to go ahead and make a little loom up for the electronics.