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Re: 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

Connected up drive shafts. Decided that the 8mm that the intermediate shaft doesn't go into the box should be OK. Not fussed about the diff in this box, so if it tears up the splines I'll know it needs changing before the LSD is put in.

Sizing up radiator and intercooler positions. It's tight. New turbo means 5mm clearance from compressor housing to rad. Probably going to have to mount the rad in a different position. Looking at modifications to the front panel.
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looking good lewey! keep checking this thread for updates!

More pictures would be cool, showing how u are going about things! Its a very interesting conversion!

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This is interesting Im subscribed. I think using the 1368 FIRE is a smart move.

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See post #6.
I mean #13!
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looking good lewey! keep checking this thread for updates!
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More pictures would be cool, showing how u are going about things! Its a very interesting conversion!
Cheers, what do I need pictures of?
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Cheers, what do I need pictures of?
Everything! A project like this is of great interest to all Uno enthusiasts. Lots of engine bay pictures from different angles will be good so we can all see how easy/ tight the engine installation is. You are, as far as I know, the first person to swap a 1.4 FIRE turbo engine into a Uno so this is all new ground. It makes a very interesting read, plus gives inspiration to others that may consider doing a swap like this to know it is possible.

Also the Turbocollective guys will be more than supportive of what you're doing and would welcome you posting on there too. You're already getting a number of them coming here to have a good look! Many TC members check the Uno section here as well as the TC site so there's a definite crossover of members and sites.

Either way, keep up the excellent work and posts. We're all looking forward to the next installment
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Everything! A project like this is of great interest to all Uno enthusiasts. Lots of engine bay pictures from different angles will be good so we can all see how easy/ tight the engine installation is. You are, as far as I know, the first person to swap a 1.4 FIRE turbo engine into a Uno so this is all new ground. It makes a very interesting read, plus gives inspiration to others that may consider doing a swap like this to know it is possible.

Also the Turbocollective guys will be more than supportive of what you're doing and would welcome you posting on there too. You're already getting a number of them coming here to have a good look! Many TC members check the Uno section here as well as the TC site so there's a definite crossover of members and sites.

Either way, keep up the excellent work and posts. We're all looking forward to the next installment
I will take more photos then. I need to remove the engine as I'll explain shortly, but will take more then.

Some unexpected complication arrived on a pallet. An Abarth spec T-Jet:



Handy uprated cams and only 10k on the clock. With the sort of boost I want to run, airflow is an issue and the the cams will really help, so looks like the GP T-Jet will be coming out to be replaced by this soon. Got its own set of ECUs and key as well and I have seen the engine running, so know the fuel cut-off issue does not apply here as it still does on the other set.

So, although I have plans to fit my hybrid turbo to this engine of course, I am thinking I could run the engine as it is for a while, just to get things off the ground. It is feasible that I could have it ready for a pre-booked trackday on 14th Nov at Mallory Park. This is mostly because I don't need to worry about a remap and new injectors in the very short term, which pleases my bank balance as much as anything else. I have thought about selling the "old" engine, but it's a bit difficult to sell right now without a turbo. Obviously the idea of a spare engine seems like luxury peace of mind, but they are worth a few bob.

Also, I fitted 257mm vented brake discs today with Punto 1.4 16v/ GT Mk2 calipers whilst I pondered all this. I actually got these calipers from a wreck I bought to get parts for my Panda project 3 years ago. Happy to use them as they were "free" and have only seen 3000 miles, so are in excellent condition. Fitted them using a single drilled out nut per bolt hole as spacers. have pants pads at the moment, but will look to get something fade-resistant soon.

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Oh yeah, noticed this sale of an Abarth 500 engine and gearbox on eBay (my T-Jet senses were tingling). 5000 miles and only 2500 starting bid! Yikes!

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Oh yeah, noticed this sale of an Abarth 500 engine and gearbox on eBay (my T-Jet senses were tingling). 5000 miles and only 2500 starting bid! Yikes!

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Shaw that yesterday. Glad I was sitting down
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lewey, good news on the punto abarth engine! Good work! What BHP are these out the box? im guessing u didnt pay anywhere near the 2.5k of the 500 abarth engine? Are there any differences between the 500 abarth and punto abarth engines?

Also, it would be damn cool if you got the Abarth Red engine cover too, so it looks like the 500/punto abarth engine when u open the bonnet of ur uno! Uno Abarth! awesome!

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lewey, good news on the punto abarth engine! Good work! What BHP are these out the box? im guessing u didnt pay anywhere near the 2.5k of the 500 abarth engine? Are there any differences between the 500 abarth and punto abarth engines?
See post #5

I said "Abarth spec" because it is actually from a Bravo 150 Sport. Same engine part for part as the Abarth Grande Punto and same power output maps. The 500 Abarth is around 135HP because of a more restricted turbo, but is same actual engine otherwise.

So no red engine cover, but I probably wouldn't use it anyway. I paid less than 2500 for it though.

I am still fannying about with radiator and intercooler mounting, but may whip out the engine tomorrow after working out the pipes I need to buy.
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Shame to see an UnoT lose it's excellent engine, the Lampredi engines are superb, though i can understand the choice to move to the newer, more reliable and greener engines, but i would imagine a lot of fun from the engine will be lost. Oversquare engines are so much more fun.
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Shame to see an UnoT lose it's excellent engine, the Lampredi engines are superb, though i can understand the choice to move to the newer, more reliable and greener engines, but i would imagine a lot of fun from the engine will be lost. Oversquare engines are so much more fun.
It's not a shame for me, even if it is for others! Do you think it is a shame from an originality point of view? Almost nothing is original on the car anyway. The Lampredi engine was superb for the couple of hours it worked for me before the block cracked. "Fun" is a subjective term. I've spent a lot of money on cars recently and done no track driving for a while due to reliability of engines tuned to the max. When they break, it's not fun. My Panda had the oversquare 999cc engine in before which if fine. Is it more fun and more reliable in every respect with the 1368cc engine in? Yep. The Uno is a track car, so needs to be as powerful as possible, whilst remaining reliable. I hope that with a more powerful and reliable engine I will forget about it's undersquare nature and concentrate on the art and pleasure of driving the car as quickly as possible.

The old engine was dismantled for checking by GC. It's complete with a replacement block, clean and has all been checked as good if you want to buy it for a very good price. PM me.
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I fully agree as to why it's being done, i just can't imagine the engine will have as much character.

A broken car is no fun as you say, and character of the engine is just a small part of the enjoyment of driving, Power is another element of the engine which is just as if not more important for track. Also being lighter coupled with your unos suspension set up it should be great fun.

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By character i mean the feel of the engine, the noise it makes, how freely it revs and where the power is and how you feel it in the seat, just generally how special it feels. a lot of this is subjective but an engine is just one part of the car, and it shouldn't be limited by it.
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By character i mean the feel of the engine, the noise it makes, how freely it revs and where the power is and how you feel it in the seat, just generally how special it feels. a lot of this is subjective but an engine is just one part of the car, and it shouldn't be limited by it.
I don't think anyone could disagree with that!

My opinion of the retired engine's character wasn't a typical oversquare experience owing to the turbo in my opinion. Once you are running 200HP or so with a larger turbo charger, you seem to bulldozer over any character that might have been there and create a wall of power that starts at say 3000RPM and is relentless in it's consistency until you hit the rev limiter. It was like an on button for power. Not a complicated engine character, but a useful one for going fast.
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