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Re: 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

Engine fell off dolly onto wrist whilst preparing engine to be lifted. An omen for the beast?

Can't do much with hand for a bit: project confined to electrical research.
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Re: 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

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Engine fell off dolly onto wrist whilst preparing engine to be lifted. An omen for the beast?

Can't do much with hand for a bit: project confined to electrical research.
Bad luck, mate

You'll get there even if you have to take a break for a week or two (no pun intended).

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Re: 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

Cheers Alex. X-ray came back good, so just sprained with stitched up hole and fingernail gone black. Probably won't resist doing something on the car come Sunday.
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Re: 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

Yeah, so I couldn't resist and spent all day sort of carefully putting the engine in.

It fits! The intake is closer than I thought to the bulkhead and the turbo is pretty close to the manifold. So all in all, pretty bloody lucky. There is a lot of pressure on the engine mount, which I spaced out about 8mm with the nuts you can see. Hard to say how bad this actually is until I loosen up the other mounts and see where is wants to sit. The engine mount is certainly too high. What you can't see is that the bolt that goes through the rubber is facilitating around a 20mm gap underneath with the nut on the last bit of thread.

As turbo is so close and the turbo I want to fit in the near future is slightly larger, I will look at mounting the fan on the front of the radiator. Seems feasible to me.
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Re: 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

Top one lewey

good to see it can be slipped in! May be interested for my MK1 if the 1299er don't play ball
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this is an excellent project and i'm enjoying following this.
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Re: 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

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The intake is closer than I thought to the bulkhead and the turbo is pretty close to the manifold.
Obviously I meant radiator, not manifold!

Thanks for the general encouragement. You may have noticed that I snapped the small outlet off on the turbo outlet. There's always something! That turbo isn't in a good way really. The turbine housing is cracked from wastegate to outlet, I'm not convinced about the bearings and now this. I am thinking I may go straight to stage 1 tuning at the moment. Probably means it won't be going around a track this year. I still aim to start it as soon as possible though, just to prove the theory. I'll keep the turbo on for that purpose only I reckon.
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Re: 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

Electrics are still up in the air a bit as I can't seem to remove the electronic fuel cut off caused by the accident that made this engine available. You are supposed to use the "indicator stalk" to make the indicators go right, left, right, left and then switch off the ignition. When I do this, the cut-off warning remains. Not going anywhere until this is sorted. Not a crisis yet as I have a few things left to try.

Have been able to get my laptop to communicate with the engine ECU via the body ECU's OBD port. Hooked up the GP dashboard too for my early testing, particularly useful for the indication of this fuel cut off thing that it writes across the screen on power up and the immobiliser operation in general.

Overall my initial wiring seems correct to me and it all has a decent chance of working if I can turn this fuel cut-off off. Always good to see the ECUs powered up, immobiliser off and it telling me there are 20 fault codes! Considering there is nothing connected to the engine ECU other than power and network, you might have thought there would be more.
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Re: 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

This is a total stab in the dark, but on most of the cars of that era, there is a switch under the passenger's seat to reset the fuel cutoff. Could it be that you need to connect some pins to make the ECU 'think' that the switch has been pressed?

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Re: 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

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This is a total stab in the dark, but on most of the cars of that era, there is a switch under the passenger's seat to reset the fuel cutoff. Could it be that you need to connect some pins to make the ECU 'think' that the switch has been pressed?

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Yeah, they changed that recently to be completely electronic, based on ECU conversations. When an airbag goes off or the accelerometer under the gear stick goes wild enough, a signal is sent to the body computer to trigger the "fuel cut-off" as it is called. The "indicators method" to remove it that I described above is in the handbook and is the only mention of it I have found.
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Yeah, they changed that recently to be completely electronic, based on ECU conversations. When an airbag goes off or the accelerometer under the gear stick goes wild enough, a signal is sent to the body computer to trigger the "fuel cut-off" as it is called. The "indicators method" to remove it that I described above is in the handbook and is the only mention of it I have found.
so does this mean you'll have to get into the ecu to reset it or will you need a new ecu?

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Re: 1368cc 16V FIRE Turbo (T-Jet) Uno conversion

Ah, it seems the fabrication fairy has been and sorted a Garrett T25 flange adapter plate for the manifold. Downpipe is still in production.

The turbo is the Turbo Technics hybrid job from the GC race engine build. Should hold boost through the whole rev range. The actuator is adjustable. I got some uprated boost/pressure sensors and I'm looking into injectors. You can just buy the uprated EsseEsse rail for 270. Anybody got any better ideas?
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so does this mean you'll have to get into the ecu to reset it or will you need a new ecu?

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I'm hoping that when I have everything connected up as best I can, the recognised indicators technique just works. If not, then I may be thinking more drastic. It could be sorted by putting the ECUs in a normal GP and using the indicators in that, but I would need to find a willing participant for that!
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looking good, so is the gearbox your using the standard punto box but with the uno mounts and linkages fitted on to it?

is the engine fly by wire?

hope it all goes well will be a mental car with that engine in it
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looking good, so is the gearbox your using the standard punto box but with the uno mounts and linkages fitted on to it?
See post #6.

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is the engine fly by wire?
Yes. So is my Panda.

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hope it all goes well will be a mental car with that engine in it
I hope it is reliable and mental!
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