General Ignition question _ what type is this

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General Ignition question _ what type is this

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sorry to be so dumb.

What kind of electronic ignition is this?
I have been looking at haynes to find pictures and a description. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place, but I can't find it.

So I posted 2 pictures of bits, 1 by the coil and the other on the Right Suspension tower.
The module by the coil has HD001 PO22 on it. There are other numbers I can not decipher.
It is only hooked to the coil, like some kind of spark booster

Can someone tell me what they are?
1988 Uno60s, (but with a 1300 carb fitted.)
 

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The module attached to the metal strut mounted plate is something to do with the carburettor. I think it does some kind of idle control as my 70SX will run at fast idle even with the choke closed, then all of a sudden when the engine is warming up it will drop to normal tickover speed. It's not the choke mechanism sticking as I've checked that. I think Alex knows what exactly this module does but I don't think it is ignition related.

The other module mounted near your coil, I've no idea. The cheese head screws suggest it might not be original? My 70SX has the finned ignition amplifier on the distributor and a dry (square) coil, but no module near the coil like you have.

Sorry I can't be of more help!
 
Thanks anyway.
Yes I bet Alex knows.

There are no wires in the carburettor. But that is why I said it was a 1300 carb, (solex) it is not original. I discovered this on another thread.
Alex pointed out the two spare wires I posted on there were for a fuel cutoff on the original carb.

I thought I would start a new thread because the other ones have finished, been answered.
 
I'll attach pictures of the brand new Weber carburettor I picked up last year for, get this, £1! Even then it was thrown in with a load of other bits I won off Ebay for £1. I offered the seller extra for but he refused saying he was just going to bin it. These carbs are worth over £200 new! Shame it was for an 1100 Uno though :rolleyes:

Anyhow, the 1100 and 1300 twin choke Webers have the same venturi size with only the jetting being slightly different. I stuck it on my 1300SX and it's run fine ever since.

It has the two black and red wires that control something, Alex thinks they control the idle fuel cutoff, but I think they control idle speed from cold by what I mentioned above. Also, if you look at one of the pictures I've attached you'll see a solenoid in place on the side of the carburettor. This looks to be the exact same fuel cut off solenoid as fitted to the Weber 32 TLF carb on the FIRE engines, but on my original 1300SX Weber it didn't have one fitted. I've no idea what it is for and it's not connected to anything on my car. Seems to run into the accelerator pump housing? :confused: I've also attached a pic of the original carburettor where you can see that no solenoid is fitted.

Oh, and I've also included a picture of my drivers side inner wing where you can see the coil and the module on the strut top metal plate. No other module near the coil like yours though Rawill? :confused:
 

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I'll attach pictures of the brand new Weber carburettor I picked up last year for, get this, £1! Even then it was thrown in with a load of other bits I won off Ebay for £1. I offered the seller extra for but he refused saying he was just going to bin it. These carbs are worth over £200 new! Shame it was for an 1100 Uno though :rolleyes:

What a find, NZ$2.50. unbelievable. Oh to be in the right place at the right time.

Mind you, this car I am talking about I got for the price of 4 doors, with the rest of the car thrown in. I have spent some time cleaning it, gettting a new radiator hose, new fan belt (broke one rainy friday night - was covered in oil!) new plugs, set the timing cleaned the carb. It goes well, all I need is a new rh electric window motor and regulator, then spend some time around the stupid sunroof system these cars come with. The car has no rust except by the sunroof.

I had already bought near new, less than 5000km, rear shockies, front struts with new shockies for my other one, so they went on this one instead.

I was offered 2 turbo sway bars but only took 1!! :mad: I was bring it all back to Invercargill from Wellington in my backpack!:D

That price was $NZ200.00
It also had a new starter that someone had paid $297.00 for

Anyway, my coil is different, did you see my modified post above. I think it is some kind of spark boost. It only has two wires that go to each side of the coil.
 
The module next to the coil - I believe that is not standard equipment. The slot-head screws don't look original, and neither do the wires and terminals. Does the car have a points distributor or the electronic type? That module could be a replacement for the finned module mounted on the distributor (which often fails). It has a fairly simple purpose - switch the coil on and off in response to the magnetic (reluctor) pickup. If it's working, best left alone ;)

The other module, by the strut tower - Chas is right, it's the control module for the fuel cutoff on the overrun. To sense the engine RPM, it has a connection to the ignition coil, which can confuse you into thinking it's an ignition device, but it's not. It works by measuring the rate-of-change of the engine RPM, and also takes a signal from the black wire attached to the throttle plate stop screw/spring. When the throttle is closed, and the engine RPM is declining only slightly, the control module cuts off the fuel. When the engine RPM reaches some low point (under 2000RPM, possibly lower if the rate-of-change is slow), the control module reinstates the fuel. The fuel control is by the large solenoid (red wire) on the carburettor that Chas so nicely illustrated.

If a replacement carburettor has no throttle contact switch and no cutoff solenoid, then you're out of luck - the control module becomes a chocolate teapot, albeit in square black-box form.

Fuel cutoff on the overrun makes only a modest difference to fuel economy, probably more in rolling country hills, and less useful in towns on the flat like Hamilton :)

By the way, the idle speed control that Chas mentioned (on later Uno 70 models) is accomplished not by electronics but by one or three thermo-devices. The 1987 models have a small bar attached to the inlet manifold coolant supply, with two valves and an electrical switch - the switch cuts off the accelerator pump, which has a solenoid, to avoid the possibility of flooding the engine and also to reduce emissions during warm-up.

The other two valves are plumbed to a fast-idle capsule added on the carburettor (has the brass adjusting screw on the right-hand side of the photo from Chas that shows the carburettor fitted to the engine). The valves cut out at different temperatures (the blue-plastic valve at a lower temperature than the white-plastic valve), to give two-stage control. The year after that (1988), someone realised how complex this was, and simplified the system to one white thermovalve screwed into the inlet manifold, which controls just the fast-idle capsule. And the year after THAT, someone decided to fit fuel injection... :eek:

-Alex
 
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Ah well, I have a square chocolate teapot. The carb as we discussed elsewhere is off a 1300 engine and I had those "spare wires"

It is an electronic dist, no points. So maybe it is some kind of after market module.

And it is working well so I will be doing just that, leaving well alone.

Thanks Alex
 
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