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Much of the valance was rotten and the strengthening beam seems to be a water trap.


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With that done and the new mountings for the bumper in the right place, I reassembled the back of the Tipo and put the welder away for hopefully the last time for the time being.

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In terms of the next steps, I will need to take the engine out when the weather gets better. It's not going to be a nice sight, I'm expecting the head gasket has failed, allowing coolant and oil to mix and at least the crankshaft bearings to be shot.

In the meantime if you are still driving a Tipo I came across a surprising aftermarket product which, had it been fitted originally would have saved a whole lot of bother, a rear wheel arch liner.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/discount_ms

This is the seller, it avoids the headache of water and salt collecting behind the fuel filler and in the seams. At one time I had tried an Alfa 145 liner, with the metal arch pressings being the same I figured it might fit, but it was too small. This product fits great, I've just used 3 or so cable ties on each side for security.
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It's probably time to update this thread as recent weeks permitted a resumption of work. Firstly, late last year after finishing all the welding I chanced an MOT. Unfortunately during the emissions test, the interior filled with coolant from the matrix area. Removing the carpet to dry it out revealed that the old outer floorpan repairs had been welded over the top of the rusty panels. This won't last, so it needed the old metal cutting back and a good tidy up. And more welding...


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A package from Italy is always a treat so here is a new correct pattern bumper in the packaging as the old one in the middle was badly cracked and the TD bumper is incorrect. However the new one needed the moulded fog light apertures cutting out.

Next the engine now has to come out as there is coolant in the oil and the crankshaft seems to be rattling. After tackling rusty bolts on the the suspension and taking the head off the engine is ready to come out. There doesn't seem to have been much oil in the gearbox either. What maintenance regime was this car subjected to lol, it couldn't be much worse !
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Just re-read this whole thread - fantastic thread! You had far more rot in your car than I had in my J plate Sedicivalvole which so far has only had minor repairs mainly to the rear bumper/rear arches area and behind the front struts. Luck of the draw i suppose.

Will be great when its done. MIKE
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Just re-read this whole thread - fantastic thread! You had far more rot in your car than I had in my J plate Sedicivalvole which so far has only had minor repairs mainly to the rear bumper/rear arches area and behind the front struts. Luck of the draw i suppose.

Will be great when its done. MIKE
Thanks for your encouragement Mike, great! Spurred me on to do more this week. If J... MDO has mainly lived in the south it's a great start in life, as the roads get salted less days a year, the less exposure the better, however I think the MK1 was better finished...

So finally here is the venerable old Lampredi 1581 unit on the floor to see what has gone wrong. The heavy item behind is the aircon compressor.

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The gaskets look ok, seems to be much gunge perhaps this was an attempt to bung some gasket seal in to cure the oil/coolant mixing but it shows that it blocks up holes at random. The inside of the head has lost some metal, possibly this is where the mixing is taking place. As I suspected the crankshaft bearings don't look too good with scoring marks, not sure if this is due to grit, overheating or lack of oil.

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I hope this can be weld-repaired, but not with a MIG


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Re: New Tipo (old model!)

Sadly I think that engine is firked... seems like classic abuse overheating lack of oil etc.

I think you're looking at a transplant realistically... I’d took for a scrapper mk1 Punto 90 1.6 with MPI.... same engine but efficient fuelling, should’nt be too hard for you to wire in if you’be got all the bits.

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Hmm... looking again at the engine perhaps it is saveable if you don't want to invest too much or expect too much...

I though the crank journals looked scored but perhaps that is the shadow from the studs ?

If you can get away without a regrind (just a polish) then maybe these would sort out the knocking..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-TIPO...wAAOSwk5FU1MlX

If you can weld the leak in the block then perhaps you'll be OK, but definitely replace the core plugs (theer is a little one in the oil gallery behind the lower crank pulley that failed on my Tipo 1.4.

I suppose coolent neglect did most of the damage, causing the leak in the block that needs welding and messing up the oil in the engine. Plus the heater matrix problems etc.

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Sadly I think that engine is firked... seems like classic abuse overheating lack of oil etc.

I think you're looking at a transplant realistically... I’d took for a scrapper mk1 Punto 90 1.6 with MPI.... same engine but efficient fuelling, should’nt be too hard for you to wire in if you’be got all the bits.
Yes it's in a state and as you say the cause must have stemmed from coolant neglect. You can still buy the whole unit - MPI version - in South America brand new! Here they are thin on the ground though. What else would I need with it, how would I wire it in to change it from the current SPI?

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Hopefully I partly have a get out of jail free card, a Fiat Palio crankshaft. It wasn't free of course but I saw it on Ebay from a German seller a couple of years ago. I think it is the same unit. It came with the matching bearings cable-tied on and 60k miles. Because the bores on mine dont look that bad, e.g. I can still see the honing, I'm hoping the new crank can be dropped in after the block has had a good clean up.
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You've done well with that spare crank & shells - did you buy it for this car expecting a knackered bottom end ?

I would imagine it's a straight fit since the ads for the shell kits list a huge range of cars / vans with that crank.. just check yours is a 1.6 with the same throw.

You should be able to make a decently refurbed engine, even the old crank may be OKish if the shells have sacrificed themselves..

My M-reg Tipo 1.4 was all set to get an MOT after some sill / floorpan welding but unfortuanetely I broke my collarbone 3 weeks ago !
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It's always possible that the bottom end knocking seemed worse because of the water in the oil.. it could be that your crank will be OK with just new bearings..
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Yes I had assumed the crank was gonner. As you say this crank seems to be in all sorts of cars and at around £100 with bearings, seemed better value than other listings with more prestigious cars!
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