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Old 23-12-2016   #16
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Re: 3 out of 5 on EuroNcap testing

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just my opinion.
Oi - that's my opinion..!!

strange how people who've survived unscathed on 2 wheels for a few years ,
then go on to have very few car accidents..
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Re: 3 out of 5 on EuroNcap testing

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It's not just lower priced cars like the Tipo that aren't scoring top marks in NCAP these days: the new BMW Mini and Audi TT score 4 stars as well.
TIPO - it's a budget car.. I tried to compare to the Dacia Sombrero..but couldn't find any Dacia results

I did find the Ligier review though.. actually has a really helpful comments section ,
explaining all of the failings in proper detail..

what an abysmal website, impossible to make real world comparisons..
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Re: 3 out of 5 on EuroNcap testing

The Sandero was tested a few years ago, and scored 3 stars, then when they decided to sell it in mainland Europe, they made some improvements, and scored a 4 star rating.

There should be a drop down menu that allows you to search by make, category, or both.

With regards to owners of 5 star cars driving like idiots, we're not all like that, lol!
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Re: 3 out of 5 on EuroNcap testing

They keep upping the standards of the NCAP in recent years to try and bring them more in line with the very stringent American regulations.

As a result some manufacturers are missing the 5 star top spots and falling short with the odd 4 start rating.

A fair comparison for the tipo in this instance is all the other cars tested in 2016 under the same tests and standards. And in those instances it still doesn't perform well 3rd worst of all the cars tested under the 2016 standards.

NCAP is still very relevant to a lot of people as they are independent of the manufacturers making them more trustworthy then just taking the manufacturers word for it that their car is safer.

Safety costs money and a lot of points are awarded for safety devices and technology, a cheap car like the tipo is not going to be lavished with gadgets as proven by its score and the need to buy an extra package to up the safety rating by an extra star.

In essence you will get what you pay for and the tipo is cheap for its sector so I wouldn't expect it to score brilliantly.

People are prepared to sacrifice on safety just to buy an brand new car they can afford as the likes of Dacia have proven and fiat have cottoned on to with the tipo.

They have made the tipo available to the uk market but it was never really meant for us and in the market it was made for safety is not as high a priority.
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Re: 3 out of 5 on EuroNcap testing

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There should be a drop down menu that allows you to search by make, category, or both.
the drop down that kept appearing only had @20 vehicles..
there must be another section / list of results..??

as I said - far from user friendly..
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They keep upping the standards of the NCAP in recent years to try and bring them more in line with the very stringent American regulations.

As a result some manufacturers are missing the 5 star top spots and falling short with the odd 4 start rating.

A fair comparison for the tipo in this instance is all the other cars tested in 2016 under the same tests and standards. And in those instances it still doesn't perform well 3rd worst of all the cars tested under the 2016 standards.

NCAP is still very relevant to a lot of people as they are independent of the manufacturers making them more trustworthy then just taking the manufacturers word for it that their car is safer.

Safety costs money and a lot of points are awarded for safety devices and technology, a cheap car like the tipo is not going to be lavished with gadgets as proven by its score and the need to buy an extra package to up the safety rating by an extra star.

In essence you will get what you pay for and the tipo is cheap for its sector so I wouldn't expect it to score brilliantly.

People are prepared to sacrifice on safety just to buy an brand new car they can afford as the likes of Dacia have proven and fiat have cottoned on to with the tipo.

They have made the tipo available to the uk market but it was never really meant for us and in the market it was made for safety is not as high a priority.
Why am I not surprised that the Americans are demanding all these electronic nanny devices?!

I wouldn't go as far as to say that you're sacrificing safety in order to save money: I don't know about all the Suzukis, etc that aren't scoring top marks, but certainly the Tipo performs well in the actual crash tests, it just isn't stuffed full of driver aids. I know I'm not alone in this, but personally, I don't agree with relying on all the electronic safety nets to keep you out of trouble.
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the drop down that kept appearing only had @20 vehicles..
there must be another section / list of results..??

as I said - far from user friendly..
I think it must just have been a problem with your browser. I just had a very quick check of the site on my phone, and it works fine. I don't get why you have to download the reports as PDF files though tbh.
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Re: 3 out of 5 on EuroNcap testing

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Why am I not surprised that the Americans are demanding all these electronic nanny devices?!

I wouldn't go as far as to say that you're sacrificing safety in order to save money: I don't know about all the Suzukis, etc that aren't scoring top marks, but certainly the Tipo performs well in the actual crash tests, it just isn't stuffed full of driver aids. I know I'm not alone in this, but personally, I don't agree with relying on all the electronic safety nets to keep you out of trouble.

No the Americans are doing things that really test the cars structure, and the safety devices, tests such as the small overlap frontal test which involves impact with only a very small area at the outer edge of the car this not only bypasses much of the structural strength of the car but also causes the occupants to move in such a way that they will miss airbags especially the steering wheel, and really tests the way the seat belts work.

This has nothing to do with thing that goes 'bing' if you go too fast or a light that comes on telling you the seat belt isn't plugged in, the Americans are testing the actual crash safety of cars and it's made big waves in the world of car manufacturers with big names failing tests, this test obliterated the fiat 500, many toyotas tried and failed, it is an absolutely brutal test for a car to go through.

Historically the survival rates from car accidents have improved no end over the last 20 years, it really doesn't matter how well you drive or how carefully, it does only take one idiot to over take at the wrong moment or pull out of a junction without seeing you. In these instances I would rather be in a new NCAP 5 rated car than an old NCAP 3-4 rated car (or 1 star in the case of the seicento)

Of the 25 cars tested under the 2016 NCAP standards the tipo with or without safety pack performed worse than 17 other cars on adult safety, and dead last on child safety. It was 20th out of 25 for pedestrian safety......

What you can't do with the 2016 safety standards is compare them with previous years because the way they test the cars has changed a lot, however the last time that fiat scored 3 stars with a newly designed car was 2004 with the panda* mean while the 500L the 500x the Fremont even the 500 and the bravo all scored well over the last few years.

For the new Tipo only Ignoring the driver aids completely and looking only at how it faired on adult, child and pedestrian safety in all 3 areas the Tipo performed badly by comparison to all the other cars tested under the same 2016 standards that's not making a comparison with any other years or taking into account any drivers aids, just the crash test only data suggest that the tipo performed badly by comparison to most other cars tested in the same way.








*the panda cross tested in 2015 was tested under new standards but was initially designed in 2011 and the 2012 scudo was a van also designed a few years earlier and tested under new and more vigorous standards than were around when the car(van) was designed.
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Re: 3 out of 5 on EuroNcap testing

Fair enough. Out of interest, is there a relatively high number of crashes that are of a very small overlap? I only ask because the original ncap test came about because the existing crash test legislation was very old and woefully unrealistic.

I can well believe that survival rates have shot up in recent years. When you see the NCAP videos for cars tested in the late 90s-early 00s, they are genuinely horrifying. I'd originally wanted a mk1 Punto for my 1st car, but after seeing the NCAP report, I rather lost my liking for them. Obviously yes, in the event of a collision, I'd also want to be in a safe car meself. I do feel fairly safe in my current car.

I must admit, I haven't studied the child safety rating, but with the adult protection, I didn't think the Tipo had done that badly really: I was flicking through an old issue of What Car at the barbers the other day, and it featured the comparison of the Tipo and the new Astra, and I noticed that for all the additional money that had presumably been spent on designing the Astra, including its body structure, with the adult occupant protection, it only scored 4% more than the Tipo.
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As stated you can only compare like for like and the Astra was rated on the 2015 NCAP set up so different to how the tipo was tested, WhatCar shouldn't have made the comparison.

In any case both the Astra and the Tipo are built on ageing platforms, which is where they probably fall down.

New fiesta and vw polo out in 2017 as well as a wealth of other new model cars will be interesting to see where the tipo sits after they have been tested
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Re: 3 out of 5 on EuroNcap testing

I tried to find out the difference between the 2015 and 2016 procedure, but hyperlink wouldn't work.

What did annoy me slightly though is that on the pre-2009 rating information, the site stated that all those crash test reports are only shown for archival purposes. Obviously, they can't be compared to the latest results, but a lot of the cars tested pre 2009 are still available fairly new on the used market, so those earlier ratings are still relevant to a lot of people.
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Re: 3 out of 5 on EuroNcap testing

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I tried to find out the difference between the 2015 and 2016 procedure, but hyperlink wouldn't work.

What did annoy me slightly though is that on the pre-2009 rating information, the site stated that all those crash test reports are only shown for archival purposes. Obviously, they can't be compared to the latest results, but a lot of the cars tested pre 2009 are still available fairly new on the used market, so those earlier ratings are still relevant to a lot of people.

It is only relevant in terms of 'in the year this car was tested it was a ..... star car' doesn't mean it still is by modern standards, basically there came a time around the late 2000s where everything was a 5 star rating and so they had to make the testing more rigorous.
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Just browsing...

It's pretty much down to electronic safety aids.

The new Suzuki Ignis gets 3* in its basic spec, but 5* in top spec.

Apparently the safety items will be available as extras on the basic spec cars. These consist of car and pedestrian crash mitigation, adaptive cruise control, lane assist, self-dipping headlights front and rear sensors and a rear camera. And probably more.

The basic structure is very strong and meets all the crash demands of the test, so the extra stars are awarded for the electronic aids.

Of course people won't understand and will say the basic car is less safe than a five year old car with 5*s. They'll be wrong of course, but then things change so often that keeping up is difficult. But it will mean more need to explain in facts the pub know-alls. Sigh.....
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Just browsing...



It's pretty much down to electronic safety aids.



The new Suzuki Ignis gets 3* in its basic spec, but 5* in top spec.



Apparently the safety items will be available as extras on the basic spec cars. These consist of car and pedestrian crash mitigation, adaptive cruise control, lane assist, self-dipping headlights front and rear sensors and a rear camera. And probably more.



The basic structure is very strong and meets all the crash demands of the test, so the extra stars are awarded for the electronic aids.



Of course people won't understand and will say the basic car is less safe than a five year old car with 5*s. They'll be wrong of course, but then things change so often that keeping up is difficult. But it will mean more need to explain in facts the pub know-alls. Sigh.....

As stated above, taking the driving aids out of the equation it was still one of the worst performing cars of 2016, under those 2016 standards and regulations.
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5*s, and better than some.

I'd feel perfectly safe in one, but the additional electronic aids are a must, for me.

You've only got to look at the Russian crash videos to see how tough modern cars are. Except in the very worst head-ones the passenger cabins stay pretty intact.

Just missed a crash this afternoon. Golf pulled into a main road and got smashed by a BMW on the main road. Write off, with the Golf offside front obliterated, but everyone standing stunned by the roadside and nothing too awful apparent. Foggy, no lights, black cars, and carelessness. Actually driving is becoming miserable now.
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Re: 3 out of 5 on EuroNcap testing

From detailed looking into NCAP test, 3 stars rating is fair enough and my opinion is that stars do matter. To make things cleared I've made comparison between Alfa Romeo Giulia which was 1st in 2016 in adult occupant ratings and Fiat Tipo that ended up 18th in same rating class.

Also, AEB City doesn't work under 20km/h for FiatTipo !!! Watching NCAP video ...car just would't brake at all.

An autonomous braking system that operates at low speeds typical of city driving is available as part of an optional safety pack and was assessed for this rating. Its performance was marginal, failing to avoid impacts at speeds lower than 20km/h, and it scored no points.



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