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Old 23-10-2016   #1
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Well, disappointed isn't the word.

I placed a factory order for a Tipo with all the extras and toys I wanted in a car, the most luxurious of which were the heated leather seats.

This weekend, I get a call from the dealer's admin office who inform me that the factory has declined the order on the basis that leather seats are no longer available!

Turns out that the option was discontinued on the 1st August. Great news for UK customers who only saw the car launch on the 4th September

It seems that, like the saloon variant, leather seats were only an option available to Europeans. I wonder if we can blame Brexit for this one?

So now I have to change the order and resubmit it to the factory. Another delay

At least I'll save 575, but I'd rather have leather seats.

So now you know. The brochure in the UK might advertise leather seats, but don't get your hopes up; you can't have them.
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Outrage!
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It seems that the Dealers are unaware of this as I was poking around one on Friday and asked about the cost of leather and the salesman happily quoted for it. Or do they know and just hope it won't put you off when later deleted?
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It seems that the Dealers are unaware of this
Yes, they do seem unaware. After I got the news from the admin office, I went in to see the salesman to discuss revising the order. Turns out he was off for a couple of days and hadn't a clue what I was talking about.

Anyway, UPDATE! I get another call today when they submitted the order for a second time without leather, and now the factory are saying that leather is available again! Also available is the DCT auto transmission now for those who are interested. So I don't know what's going on, I'm told one thing, then another, so watch this space. The Tipo with leather is on order (again!) and I'll believe it when I go to pick it up.

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Yes, they do seem unaware. After I got the news from the admin office, I went in to see the salesman to discuss revising the order. Turns out he was off for a couple of days and hadn't a clue what I was talking about.

Anyway, UPDATE! I get another call today when they submitted the order for a second time without leather, and now the factory are saying that leather is available again! Also available is the DCT auto transmission now for those who are interested. So I don't know what's going on, I'm told one thing, then another, so watch this space. The Tipo with leather is on order (again!) and I'll believe it when I go to pick it up.

I'll keep you posted.
what's a dct? like a dualogic or a proper auto/cvt
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what's a dct? like a dualogic or a proper auto/cvt
Only a guess but dual clutch transmission?

I could be well off though.
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Yes, it's dual clutch transmission. It's supposed to be the "missing link" between the traditional 3 gear auto and CVT. Details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-clutch_transmission

Not that it bothers me now; I'm opting for the manual option as my budget doesn't quite stretch to it. Maybe next changeover, we'll see.
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I noticed on the Italian configurator that leather appeared, whereas it didn't on the UK configurator. I did try to download a brochure but it wouldn't work, so I concluded that, like the larger touchscreen for the stereo, the UK Tipo wouldn't have leather like Italian versions. Will be interested to see what happens with the second order with leather!

From working in a Fiat dealer a couple of years ago, the information regarding option availability did tend to arrive after the event, so I imagine the dealer wouldn't have had a clue until the order was rejected. However, Fiat do offer a huge number more options than other marques i've worked for & their model & option availability was actually far better. With some makes, a model would only be open for ordering for an infinite 'slot' then would close again. An option would become unavailable at the drop of a hat, then re-appear. Compared to some, I found the Fiat system brilliant as you could pretty much order what you wanted, when you wanted, and it'd arrive within 3 months.
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Yes, it's dual clutch transmission. It's supposed to be the "missing link" between the traditional 3 gear auto and CVT. Details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-clutch_transmission

Not that it bothers me now; I'm opting for the manual option as my budget doesn't quite stretch to it. Maybe next changeover, we'll see.
that wiki says like the dsg in vw and they are know to be crap
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that wiki says like the dsg in vw and they are know to be crap
That's because of the VW gearbox design. Similar issue to the M32 gearbox, except the DSG ends up exploding into a pile of parts. It seems though this was only related to the early DSG boxes, apparently they have revised the design to get rid of the weakness.
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That's because of the VW gearbox design. Similar issue to the M32 gearbox, except the DSG ends up exploding into a pile of parts. It seems though this was only related to the early DSG boxes, apparently they have revised the design to get rid of the weakness.
Not sure how much truth there is in that. Only recently know of a friends Yeti DSG fail only days before the warrantee was due to expire!
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Not sure how much truth there is in that. Only recently know of a friends Yeti DSG fail only days before the warrantee was due to expire!
Perhaps its one of the old design boxes?

Either that or they aint fixed the problem in the first place
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As far as I'm aware, the DCT box in the Tipo and other Fiat's such as the 500X is the same box used in the Alfa MiTo & Giulietta TCT. It's been used in Alfa's since 2010/2011 and there's hardly any faults to speak of reported on the Alfa forums in relation to the TCT box, so with 5 years on the market I'd be pretty optimistic about durability of this gearbox, especially in the short-mid term.

It can't be any worse than a Dualogic, anyway!
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I wonder what would actually stop leather being available to the UK?

The chairs are the same, regardless of LHD vs RHD so it's a no-brainer to offer it.

Your dealer could just tick the box and put the order in... the Fiat assembly plant computer would do the rest..

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The chairs are the same, regardless of LHD vs RHD so it's a no-brainer to offer it.
Not so, will find the passenger seat will often have an Occupant Position Sensor fitted to see if a passenger is seated, drivers won't. Height adjustment is often only on drivers seat also.

As such the front seats will be LHD and RHD specific.
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