working on the side

[Helz]

I certainly wasn't criticising people unemployed through no fault of their own, but those who just claim without even trying to find a job, or who work on the side and then moan about being underpaid doing so deserve some grief surely!!! This was the gist of the OP

:yeahthat: My first post to this thread explains he gives the unlucky a bad name. My second was in response to someone saying we have all worked on the side whilst claiming benefits and that's where the resulting replies have stemmed from.

 

[Renegade_8]

Yes it's wrong to claim benefit and work , and more wrong to work for less so allowing the dishonest employer to undercut decent firms who are doing it right and paying taxes to fund those benefits. The fact that Alby posted and asked his "peer group" here shows that he is basically a decent person and this is bugging him. It's also clear that he would like the extra money, and it's easy to sympathise with someone who is unemployed and wants to work but only has an offer thats dishonest. I have to say don't do it, which is easy for me, the other thing is the system is wrong, benefits should taper a lot more so even marginal work is worth doing. Finally , no need to feel bad about claiming what you have paid for through your taxes IMHO.

 

[x Alex x]

Never claimed a benefit in my life Alex (my mother claimed child benefit on my behalf when I was a child but can't quite see how she might fiddle that one). Nice of you to class us all as dolescum

did i class everyone as dolescum? i said i doubt everyone who comments hasnt considered/done it. hardley saying everyone on here is dolescum is it?

 

[x Alex x]

My second was in response to someone saying we have all worked on the side whilst claiming benefits and that's where the resulting replies have stemmed from.

you really should read stuff properly

 

[Helz]

Well Alex, judging by the replies, it seems you were wrong

 

[x Alex x]

how do you know for sure everyone who has commented hasnt claimed/considered it?

did you grow up with everyone on this forum?

and i think there's life in this thread yet.

just for the record i haven't claimed any benefits nor would i go on the dole and work at the same time, there's people working hard and keeping people who are too greedy/lazy for their own good.

 

[thefishdude]

well as he doing it on the side he can pay you what he likes, as you cant really complain. living on the dole is hard i have had to do it, and a lil extra monety can go along way. how ever i would think hard about doing this and not delcaring it.

oh just cause hes on the dole and is thinking about doing this 3 days work dont mean he is scum. this may be the only work he can get. but i know you shouldnt do it.

just one question though anyone one on here who jumped in attacking him ever dome work cash in hand? tsk tsk shame on you avoiding paying tax

 

[Venters]

Replies to this post are what I mean.

but i doubt everyone who says anything hasn't considered/done it themselves.

Dam straight I considered doing it. I won't lie about that I also won't feel bad for admitting it. Never did it mind.

Ask anyone who has spent time on the dole if they have considered working on the side. I'll bet you 95% have.
If you have never had to survive ( bearing in mind your dole is what the government states you need to survive.) on Jobseekers then you have very little chance of actually undestanding how difficult it can be. How many of you have decided to not hoover the house today because of the cost of electricity?

Then someone offers you the chance to work cash in hand for a wee while. Anyone who say they wouldn't consider it is lying.

 

[AppleSei]

I too have never claimed benefits or signed on and been in work since 2 weeks after 16th birthday so thats another one who's never considered claming/working on side whilst claiming

 

[x Alex x]

Replies to this post are what I mean.




Dam straight I considered doing it. I won't lie about that I also won't feel bad for admitting it. Never did it mind.

Ask anyone who has spent time on the dole if they have considered working on the side. I'll bet you 95% have.
If you have never had to survive ( bearing in mind your dole is what the government states you need to survive.) on Jobseekers then you have very little chance of actually undestanding how difficult it can be. How many of you have decided to not hoover the house today because of the cost of electricity?

Then someone offers you the chance to work cash in hand for a wee while. Anyone who say they wouldn't consider it is lying.

thanks for your honesty and proving my point.

considering a bit of extra cash when you desperately need it hardley makes you scum.

 

[Vickster]

I read the OP as asking not whether he should work on the side, s/he seems to be considering doing that (even though s/he knows you shouldn't ), but what we think of the perceived injustice of the employer *only* paying him a fiver an hour rather than the nine quid going rate that would be paid if it was all above board Well of course, we're going to support him on that point

 

[T14086]

I've claimed dole a few times.....so what! What would anyone do 3 weeks before xmas (and you live in one of the countrys worse unemployment blackspots) & you have young kids? I pay over £500 in tax a month....so its not as if I dont contribute to society.

The system is very helpful for those unfortunate to be made redundent (it happens & will keep on happening) until they can get back into work,the problem lies with known 'lazy gits' who are known to the DSS but are in reality helpless to do anything.Take away his/her drink/beer money & he then turns to crime (costs more to keep him/her in jail than pay fortnights dole money) so what can they do? Dont forget young kids are often involved here....some xmas they must have!

What was once a good system (like the NHS) for the people in time of need has been abused.

 

[AppleSei]

Just slightly off topic here.

I am assuming O/P is older than 16 so wouldnt the employer be breaking the law also for paying less than the minimum wage as £5 p/h is a bit less than the minimum wage. What happens on that side of things for the employer?

Im not condoning the actions of the O/P just interested to know what would happen to employer?

 

[maddogmorg]

some people on here seem to be more insulted with this person because he's on benefits rather than that he's considering earning a bit more money to get by
it's wrong to do so and you must declare it if you work (tbh it's too late now to get away with it). have a word with them when you sign on.
sympathise with you since i know it's not easy to live on the dole. it's not always your fault. some people i know with good degrees from good uni's in good subjects struggle to get jobs as it's harder to get a job with a degree sometimes! and specialised areas are often hard to get into anyway.
good luck. just make sure you have a clear conscience

 

[x Alex x]

Just slightly off topic here.

I am assuming O/P is older than 16 so wouldnt the employer be breaking the law also for paying less than the minimum wage as £5 p/h is a bit less than the minimum wage. What happens on that side of things for the employer?

Im not condoning the actions of the O/P just interested to know what would happen to employer?

if you're 22 or under that's a legal wage

 

[Vickster]

Just slightly off topic here.

I am assuming O/P is older than 16 so wouldnt the employer be breaking the law also for paying less than the minimum wage as £5 p/h is a bit less than the minimum wage. What happens on that side of things for the employer?

Im not condoning the actions of the O/P just interested to know what would happen to employer?

Who's going to shop the employer..presumably not the guy working on the side That's why employers can get away with not meeting minimum wage laws ....

 

[Tony M]

Never claimed a benefit in my life Alex (my mother claimed child benefit on my behalf when I was a child but can't quite see how she might fiddle that one). Nice of you to class us all as dolescum

Working on the side is fine if you are already employed and dodging additional tax... for a limited duration. If however you are trying to add to a pretty liberal existence of not being exactly forth-comign with the effort then, as everyone has pointed out... it's not really working on the side... it's just plain working and should be taxed at that wonderful rate called 'emergency'

As fro never claiming anything in my life apart fromchild benefit when i was a kid etc... I'm sure you can make a fat cheque out and pay that guilt ridden blood money back. Then some workshy parasite can claim it and **** it away on a PS3.

 

[Helz]

some people i know with good degrees from good uni's in good subjects struggle to get jobs as it's harder to get a job with a degree sometimes! and specialised areas are often hard to get into anyway.
good luck. just make sure you have a clear conscience

I have a few acquaintances like that - happy to claim from the taxpayer but too big and clever to stack shelves or sweep floors. Misplaced pride perhaps?

Not lumping everyone in the same boat here - I'll repeat again that some people give others a bad name! But sadly there are a lot of people like that :bang:

 

[Koa]

My opinion is. Do the work and declare it. Make sure you tell them everything, it'll go a long way towards getting your foot in the door for a better job in the future, employers will admire your non lazy attitude

 

[dave]

Working on the side is fine if you are already employed and dodging additional tax... for a limited duration.

how is dodging tax diffrent to claiming benefit?