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why didn't god give me ABS?
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why didn't god give me ABS?
Wow Dobby!!
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well you would be down on your knee's and using your hands
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Dobby said:
Why do you call that kind of thing work lol
Dobby said:i can't have a car without PAS cause of arthritis, airbag may just save my pretty face
All are good when they are working, but when the cars get old and end up as transport for those without much money any problems with these systems effectively writes the car off. As my mate who used to have a VW Golf VR6 found out. ABS ECU packed up, a new one from VAG cost over £800! The car was only worth about twice that at the time, but he was lucky to find a 2nd hand ECU for £150.
Many cars in breakers are there because things like ECU's have packed up and cost more than the car is worth to replace. I'm sure it's a deliberate policy by the manufacturers to make us change our cars every few years by effectively building in obselence. If they can make all other electrical units such as mobile phones, stereos, Ipods etc. so cheaply now, why can't they do the same with engine ECU's? Maybe they know the cars will get scrapped when they blow up and people will have to go out and buy new ones...
PAS is ok and obviously benefits disabled people, though I wonder how long electric PAS will last?
Airbags? Well, if you're wearing a seat belt that works properly then surely your face won't hit the steering wheel in the event of a frontal crash? Also, don't airbags need changing every five years or so, can only be done by an authorised dealer at a cost of hundreds and your car will fail the MOT if the airbag light is on? Many cars will reach ten years old and the compulsory replacing of airbags will cost more than the car is worth.
Modern technology is fine when it works, but horrendously expensive to repair when it doesn't. After 20 years of driving on the road I haven't needed ABS or airbags yet, though no doubt having said that I'll need them next time I'm out driving! I guess it helps to always look ahead and give plenty of time to make manouevres on the road, something my experience has given me plus having started on two wheels. There's nothing more unforgiving than a motorbike on dodgy roads, so you HAVE to think ahead if you want to stay upright!
abs.. you learn to drive in a newish car(renault clio), with pas and abs etc. then you get a tipo. then heading to sixth form one day the road is slightly slippery. despite going at 20 when route ahead is blocked brakes go on. car slides straight towards parked 4X4 thing. its so unnatural the first time it happens and you force yourself to bring your foot off the brake and then pump them to ensure you stop. by the 2nd time when you're travelling at 60 with a full car down a muddy single track road on a wet day. only to find a tractor pulls out of a field blocking the road in front of you. its instinct. the smoke coming from wheel arches is great too. oh and the quietness of your friends from then on. can't beat it!
can't beat it!
for a girl's car, or a daily driver, PAS & ABS arent a bad thing, but for a sports car, or a car you drive enthusiastically, they're both bad news. PAS removes all feel of the road, so you bascially drive numb with no idea how much grip you have. ABS stops you getting the most out of your brakes because you can actually brake harder than it lets you if you're good with the pedal. so with ABS you have to break earlier into corners that you would without ABS. basically an enthusiastic driver with skills is better off without them, but the average driver should definately have them.
as for airbags, i've had loads of cars with them, and not one where they worked, its a nice feature if they could make them work properly. they have so many faults so often it defeats the whole point of having them. even new cars still suffer with airbag gremlins, especially french cars
as for airbags, i've had loads of cars with them, and not one where they worked, its a nice feature if they could make them work properly. they have so many faults so often it defeats the whole point of having them. even new cars still suffer with airbag gremlins, especially french cars
Formula 1 cars have PAS, and they'd have ABS too if it wasn't banned.jug said:
Depends upon the system setup. ABS can operate on each wheel individually, whereas a driver only has one pedal, so to unlock a wheel must reduce the braking on all 4.jug said:
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jug said:
Agreed.
Esp driving a car down lanes with some gravel on them with PAS.
hmallett said:
they have so much rubber it would be hard to turn without it, and perfect track surface so steering wheel feedback is less of an issue.
if i could disable it on my car i would, but switching it off makes it even harder to turn than normal.
i've been known to modify the relief valve on the pump to reduce the assistance tho.
Having fitted em in Toyotas i can tell you they do work. Its just that they only go off when impacted by a certain amount of pressure (cant rmmbr wot now). A signal goes down the cable to the detonator which triggers the airbag off. These (for want of a better word) pressure sensors are situated in several places around the car, for instance i seem to remember one being by the hand brake in the Avensis and thats why you should dissconect the battery when working on a car with air bags:slayer:
They are also designed to only work properly when wearing a seatbelt They are proffessionally known as safety restraint systems (S.R.S.) and do not stop you going through the windscreen, they just cushion you in an impact, the seat belt does the Life saving. When wearing a seat belt, by the time (split second) you hit the airbag it is deflating. It can seriously injure or kill you if not wearing a belt
They are also designed to only work properly when wearing a seatbelt
They are proffessionally known as safety restraint systems (S.R.S.) and do not stop you going through the windscreen, they just cushion you in an impact, the seat belt does the Life saving. When wearing a seat belt, by the time (split second) you hit the airbag it is deflating. It can seriously injure or kill you if not wearing a belt
my mk1 punto doesn't have anything! it has slighty assisted brakes but thats it. and I have never had a scary moment in it yet, even though I drive the nuts off it!!
that volvo I got to do my 13,000mile rally in, had PAS (could NOT feel a thing thru steering, but it was easy when you drive 780miles in one day , on gravel it was terrible, had so many near death experiances).
and the ABS, I NEVER want to drive a car with crp ABS again! when on gravel and dirt roads, and tarmac with a scattering of sand and dirt and gravel on top, you just CANNOT stop.
basically the abs would apply breaks, loose grip, freak out, throw the pedal back at you (if you have arthritus in your ankles or knee's abs will mess them up more!) and refuse to actually slow the car down. I was literally standing on the pedal (broke the seat back on one occasion I was pushing THAT hard) and it wasn't doing anything.
Had to DITCH the car off the side of these desert roads many times (basically the road is a mound of dirt and sand with athin layer of tarmac around 10-16ft up from the desert floor ) never came to *much* harm, but then it was a 20year old 1750kg estate car:slayer:
also hit a few other cars on these roads (mainly the taxi and the ford and the merc that were on the rally with me so it didn't matter:devil: ).
the newest cars have much better abs, its ebd thing, much much better, because if there is no grip it will basically just give up and let you handle it, wheras old abs systems are totally thick and keep backing off the brakes, and basically don't slow the car down atall. LETHAL
that volvo I got to do my 13,000mile rally in, had PAS (could NOT feel a thing thru steering, but it was easy when you drive 780miles in one day
, on gravel it was terrible, had so many near death experiances).and the ABS, I NEVER want to drive a car with crp ABS again! when on gravel and dirt roads, and tarmac with a scattering of sand and dirt and gravel on top, you just CANNOT stop.
basically the abs would apply breaks, loose grip, freak out, throw the pedal back at you (if you have arthritus in your ankles or knee's abs will mess them up more!) and refuse to actually slow the car down. I was literally standing on the pedal (broke the seat back on one occasion I was pushing THAT hard) and it wasn't doing anything.
Had to DITCH the car off the side of these desert roads many times (basically the road is a mound of dirt and sand with athin layer of tarmac around 10-16ft up from the desert floor
) never came to *much* harm, but then it was a 20year old 1750kg estate car:slayer: also hit a few other cars on these roads (mainly the taxi and the ford and the merc that were on the rally with me so it didn't matter:devil: ).
the newest cars have much better abs, its ebd thing, much much better, because if there is no grip it will basically just give up and let you handle it, wheras old abs systems are totally thick and keep backing off the brakes, and basically don't slow the car down atall. LETHAL
MATT 68 said:Having fitted em in Toyotas i can tell you they do work. Its just that they only go off when impacted by a certain amount of pressure (cant rmmbr wot now). A signal goes down the cable to the detonator which triggers the airbag off. These (for want of a better word) pressure sensors are situated in several places around the car, for instance i seem to remember one being by the hand brake in the Avensis and thats why you should dissconect the battery when working on a car with air bags:slayer:
They are also designed to only work properly when wearing a seatbelt
no, i mean they always get faults because the sensor setup is so sensitive that it is too easy to trigger a fault in the airbag ecu, meaning the airbag light comes on. even multiple trips to the dealer cant sort it. when they work they work well, but they have so many faults that they often disable themselves. i've taken the airbag light out of my dash coz it is so annoying. my previous braov was the same, and my escort before that. my girlfriend's mk2 punto is the same, and her saxo before that. and i've worked on dozens of cars with the airbag light on. its beyond a joke!
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Dunc Uno Turbo said:ABS is for faggs, along with PAS and airbags
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:yeahthat: Real drivers don't need electronic assistance
problem with ABS and other toys (V70s TC for instance) is that it's as good as the quality of it's implementation... I know someone with a Lotus and that had gor'damn awful ABS that got triggered by surface changes under light braking or could get its self into a right panic attack if you went over a high drop kerb. Sounds fine however, early ABS triggering can dramatically increase braking distances. And let's not even start on the, reported, weird ass behaviour of the V70s TC after a rather dramatic change tyre profile.
Opps didn't see the second page...
I so know what you mean with the Volvo steering faster4_tec, the V70 gets better above about 80mph... and even then it's that you get some weight in the system and you actually have some feedback. The current generation of Volvo ABS & ALB is a lot better, than what you descibe. First the ABS & ALB seem to be desecrate systems, secondly while the ABS kicks in a little early for my liking, the ALB system doesn't ease off the brakes until the ABS pulses aren't unlocking the wheel and all that lot seems to be happening on each wheel independently of each other.
I so know what you mean with the Volvo steering faster4_tec, the V70 gets better above about 80mph... and even then it's that you get some weight in the system and you actually have some feedback. The current generation of Volvo ABS & ALB is a lot better, than what you descibe. First the ABS & ALB seem to be desecrate systems, secondly while the ABS kicks in a little early for my liking, the ALB system doesn't ease off the brakes until the ABS pulses aren't unlocking the wheel and all that lot seems to be happening on each wheel independently of each other.
