How you finding the over the air updates?...or have they changed the brain of the car entirely in line with the architecture of the Golf 8 and ID cars since yours was built?
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How you finding the over the air updates?...or have they changed the brain of the car entirely in line with the architecture of the Golf 8 and ID cars since yours was built?
I like cars which are a "development" of the previous model. So often when a completely new model is introduced it goes through a period of "sorting what they failed to get quite right" I'm amused that you talk about the Scala "estate". There is only the one body which although a hatchback, has also been described by the reviewers as an estate. It was one of the things which so attracted me to it. The cargo area with the rear seats down or up is very comparable to the Ibiza estate I had before it but the Scala is slightly wider which already has proved useful on a small number of occasions. The platform on which it's built is, I read, an extended version of the Polo/Ibiza rather than the similar sized Golf/Leon. I wondered if the more rudimentary suspension system, which some reviewers made large of, would be detrimental to it's general performance but I find it more than adequate. It can't be described as "sporty" but does hold the road well and is considerably more comfortable on long journeys than the Ibiza was. In fact there's only one real criticism I can level at it's mechanical make up (I won't start on all the "silly" electronic "aids" I would happily do without) and that is the "first gear lurch" when you move away from a standstill. There are quite a number of others I've read complaining about it so I'm pretty sure it's not just me being over sensitive to it and there is, so far, no solution. I suspect a combination of throttle mapping and soft bushes in the front suspension arms combine to cause it. VAG seem to have a general problem with the later generations of the EA211 engines. There's even more people complaining of driveability issues with the 1.5 ACT engine, especially when cold. I understand upgrades have been introduced but would seem, from what I read, to be only partially successful. With my 110hp version of the 3 cylinder 1 litre engine I find slipping the clutch for slightly longer before letting it fully "bite" largely overcomes the problem but annoys me because I don't like slipping clutches intentionally due to possible increased wear of release bearing/driven plate. So, mostly, I just put up with having the small degree of "lurch" as the clutch fully bites. Annoys me but Mrs J hardly notices anything and in most other aspects of the car's construction and the way it drives I'm more than pleased with, I find it especially good on our long distance drives down to Wiltshire and Devon when visiting family.
The Scala comes up with "Update available" on the central screen and invites me to "download now" or "delay". As I've no idea what it's doing I asked at the garage and they said just to always enable "download now" which is what I do. Everything seems to be working well but I do notice that the sat nav, which I hardly ever use as I'm always on roads I know, has not been showing any road works notifications for quite some time now.
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One day you will get in and it will fail to go.
You will only have yourself to blame.
It will be the auto downloaded immediate total obsolesence update!
Sadly that might be absolutely the case!One day you will get in and it will fail to go.
You will only have yourself to blame.
It will be the auto downloaded immediate total obsolesence update!
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One day you will get in and it will fail to go.
You will only have yourself to blame.
It will be the auto downloaded immediate total obsolesence update!
I didn't want to bring this up but there was a Gentleman with a Skoda Enyaq who as you do planned to take his son to university. Sort thing a big car like that would be perfect for..
Unfortunately he got in on the morning of the big planned trip and it had bricked as a result of an overnight software update so he had to fit all of his sons and also his son and other son and wife who were coming stuff into a 15 year old polo instead.
Somewhat amusing but weirdly he's looking for a new car now, can't think why.
You'd hope with the combustion cars updates couldn't kill the car to the point of being unusable.
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There's a house up the road from me, that was the first in the street to have an EV, an MG6. Didn't seem to use it much, but the older car, an ICE vehicle, (can't remember what it was) got used even less, and them disappeared. Then another MG6 arrived, and both got used, but neither very much.
Now, strangely, the newer MG has disappeared, to be replaced by a 2015 Hyundai i10. The Hyundai seems to be used significantly more than the remaining MG.
It would be unkind to compare VW electrics to the absolute horrors the Chinese are currently doing.
Cars that unlock themselves and open their doors in an automatic car wash come to mind...and indeed the other day I was in a tail back caused by a newish MG that had failed to proceed.
They are a bit you get what you pay for I think it's not like their combustion cars are brilliantly reliable either with things like control arms falling off etc.
Cars that unlock themselves and open their doors in an automatic car wash come to mind...and indeed the other day I was in a tail back caused by a newish MG that had failed to proceed.
They are a bit you get what you pay for I think it's not like their combustion cars are brilliantly reliable either with things like control arms falling off etc.
I couldn’t find anything online about this. Also I’ll refer you to my signature.
Technically speaking if it was because of an over night update and the update was the cause of the problem then I would expect it to have effected all Skoda Enyaq’s in which case there would be very obvious media coverage of the problem.
It also depends if it was an electric model as apparently (and this isn’t just a vw/VAG thing) a lot of electric cars from all manufacturers have “glitches from time to time that leave the car undrivable faults in software that depletes the 12v battery the electronics then won’t run the charging circuits of the main battery and the car won’t start or charge. Modern cars are way to complex, even an electric car does not need the over the top complexity that they build into them, it goes back to the discussion about failed body modules, the whole car on an electric vehicle is controlled but an overly complex body module/computer. Throw in all the driving aids they like to include and it gets really out of hand how much processing power and technology They are throwing in to one module/part in the car.
Some have technology comparable with the desktop computers that run high end games using GPUs for running ai learning algorithms, ita mad how far they have taken it now….
I’m not sure that jocks humble skoda is quite that well endowed with computers, but it will have its fair share of gadgets it is probably similarly equipped to a vw or Audi that is a few years or a generation or two older because of that trickle down approach VAG use.
Hmm definitely not the first thing that comes up if search for Enyaq and bricked at all
You definitely can't get similar lists by replacing Enyaq, with ID3..4, 5 or buzz either.
But anyway my point in this was mainly chances of your Golf bricking due to a failed OTA...zero. Chances of new car that's not built in the same way bricking due to a failed update. Well that's more than zero which is infinitely worse as a percentage I'm sure you'll agree.
It's almost like they redid the full electrical system at some point round about the mk8 Golf/Id when all the haptics started coming in. A generational shift if you will in the philosophy of the company.
You definitely can't get similar lists by replacing Enyaq, with ID3..4, 5 or buzz either.
But anyway my point in this was mainly chances of your Golf bricking due to a failed OTA...zero. Chances of new car that's not built in the same way bricking due to a failed update. Well that's more than zero which is infinitely worse as a percentage I'm sure you'll agree.
It's almost like they redid the full electrical system at some point round about the mk8 Golf/Id when all the haptics started coming in. A generational shift if you will in the philosophy of the company.
I think I’ve mentioned on here before, but VW ain’t what they’re supposed to be, three of their ID Buzz have had to be recovered round here, one of them twice, just total stops due to software, according to the owner of one I was talking to. I have to say I did feel a bit of ‘tough luck’ but he has, in the past, been derogatory towards my buying Fiats
. I never liked working on VW, or for that matter BMW, their trim was very well done, on the ‘customer facing’ side, but I invariably got cut to smitherenes on the backs and panel edges!
I think you’re just grasping at straws here. Firstly if you read the posts in almost every case it’s the update failing that has caused the issue.
They are specifically electric cars the Enyaq 80 is the reoccurring theme, and I can put literally any car brand or model into Google with the term “bricked” and find some sort of result.
Now I guess the point you are trying to make is that my golf doesn’t do over the air updates, and you’d be right, but it still has updates just done with an SD card instead. Will that cause the car to completely go tits up? Probably not but then it’s not an electric car and I did make that point above. Electric cars are far more electronically complex as they have multiple power sources complex computers for controlling the electric drive train, it’s not just a variac and a battery like an old milk float.
My point is and remains that there is unlikely to be a massive difference in the parts and processes used to build something like the Skoda Scala, than my 10 year old golf, because vw doesn’t reinvent things (usually and not counting the iD cars) they evolve things over time.
I’ll refer you to my previous statement where I pointed out the Scala uses the same platform as the t-roc which was made into a cabriolet and vw repurposed the same roof for the t-roc cabriolet as was used on the golf cabriolet.
What you’re doing in this instance is called a straw man argument, you’re changing the focus of the argument to something else you can attack, but you’re going away from the actual point of the conversation to do that.
I don’t suppose that the skoda enyaq 80 a rear wheel drive electric cars, had a huge amount in common with a skoda Scala and definitely not a golf designed 15 years ago.
Just to put in context what I am saying here is the interior of a Scala and a Golf cabriolet do you really think that the technology behind both cars is really all that different. The two models show are only 3 years apart.
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Perhaps you could plug a Golf light into a scala and see if it works...should answer it 
Me I just remember how much difficulty MCM had swapping a VW up into a VW UP and suspect it's not quite a simple as we'd all imagine.
Me I just remember how much difficulty MCM had swapping a VW up into a VW UP and suspect it's not quite a simple as we'd all imagine.
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I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. I've read about how the car shouldn't be driven whilst it's updating and that was the main question I went into the dealer with. I was worried that the updating procedure might actually interfere with something controlling the car - steering, throttle control or other. They told me the updates requested on the infotainment screen would never interfere with critical driving functions, they are updates done in the workshop not directly over the internet. So I could authorise these updates at any time I liked. Some would be stored and update the modules when I stopped the car and turned the ignition off anyway. Apparently there have been problems with the all digital dash displays blacking out - which must be difficult as you effectively loose all instrumentation - Mine is the older dash with physical dials and displays and, they told me, is not affected. All going well now entering it's third year of life - Fingers crossed - I don't really trust any of it though!
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I really think you have the very last of the nearly normal cars. Anything newer and potential for problems seems to increase steeply. Why do car makers think they need to update cars anyway. If I buy a car I dont want ANY third party deciding they are going to make ANY changes to it of any nature whatsoever without my explicit permission and for that I would want to know why a change was required and what it was about before considering whether to authorise it, a conversation Ive had with my dealer every time they have had the car for service. They agreed fairly early on that no changes would be made. The software updates applied to VAG cars after the emissions defeat saga seemed to have adverse effects on vehicle performance. I would be fuming if that had happened to me. I would rather stick with what I have paid for unless there is a problem that adversly affects me. So many changes seem to be single buttocked attempts to alter things and subsequent secondary issues seem to arise. I have always found that if you do something the first attemp is usually the best. Subsequent fiddling or a restart rearely is as good. Its a bit like the incessant changes made to mobile phones which drives me mad most of those seem pretty pointless, but at least it can be understood that changes to address ongoing security needs may be required for security and privacy reasons. But in a car? It seems to me to be largely unwarranted interferance and I just wonder why? I dont suppose any of it is for my benefit. My last Panda was fiddled with at its first service and I always felt it was never as good afterwards. It was never made clear why engine management software alterations were needed and how they were supposed to be for my benefit.
