What's made you not grumpy but not smile either today?

[AndyRKett]

I've seen a few Evoque cabrios, all in white.
You could have the risk of a Land Rover, with lots of fresh air, while admiring all those looks from the plebs as you pass them by.
Don't VW do something similar with a cabrio SUV thing?

I did eye up the Evoke when it came out in around 2016/17, they only sold it till 2018 as it was a bit of a sales flop, but it was a very nice and very well equipped. my main complaint, and it is a weird one, is the front seats where fully electric, with an electric button to move them forward for back seat access, that meant that it took about a minute just to move the seat forward and out of the way just to access the back seat. I checked them out at a motor show in london around that time.

VW make the T-croc Cabrio which is basically the same as my golf with the suspension pushed up a bit.
My complaint with them, is they are stupidly expensive, about £10-12k more than the golf was when I bought it new in 2015, but also they are limited to only a 1.5 petrol engine and had limited optional extras. I think they have improved the options now, but of course that just adds to the expense.

I think in terms of Cabrio's at the moment I am limited to the A5 from Audi and the C-class from Mercedes I think Merc may have dropped the diesel option, but I could get one that is a couple of years old still in a diesel.

 

[vexorg]

No one wanting to put odds on world war 3 starting soon???

 

[porta]

No one wanting to put odds on world war 3 starting soon???

I’ll give that a miss

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

No one wanting to put odds on world war 3 starting soon???

Not worth worrying about or even wasting a moment thinking about because, living in Scotland's capitol city I'm going to be toast before I can even say "Oh bugger" - and that's how I'd like it because surviving a nuclear attack will probably be much worse than the pain of being killed by it.

 

[bugsymike]

Not worth worrying about or even wasting a moment thinking about because, living in Scotland's capitol city I'm going to be toast before I can even say "Oh bugger" - and that's how I'd like it because surviving a nuclear attack will probably be much worse than the pain of being killed by it.

The problem is if you want to retaliate on the Countries that are trying to start it, landing one would probably improve the place!

 

[vexorg]

I had a rather childish view in my mid-teens of the only solution would be to nuke the entire area.
And since then over the last 40 years, I think that would still have been the best option.

 

[bugsymike]

I had a rather childish view in my mid-teens of the only solution would be to nuke the entire area.
And since then over the last 40 years, I think that would still have been the best option.

The problem is, they probably feel the same way about us, the difference is we exercise more restraint

 

[vexorg]

The problem is, they probably feel the same way about us

I never meant as a western view or with any involvement from us, just the only solution to solve it for all parties involved.

However as a selfish view, i do worry about the overspill into Europe, and our favourite nutjob to the east using it to his advantage

 

[bugsymike]

I never meant as a western view or with any involvement from us, just the only solution to solve it for all parties involved.

However as a selfish view, i do worry about the overspill into Europe, and our favourite nutjob to the east using it to his advantage

I think that horse has already bolted.

 

[StevenRB45]

@Pugglt Auld Jock

I feel like we've spent possibly slightly too long discussing various boosted small engines so this may be of interest.

New one to play with..first of all...it seems huge because it's a 4 not a 3.

So it would appear to be mounted in the same orientation as the VW group units turbo at the rear intake at the front it also has a water to air intercooler similar to the VW. So 180 degrees to the Puretech and also not air to air like PSA and Ford.

The weirdness seems to come with why is the intercooler there? Then you realise that expansion tank has 2 fillers...and is indeed split in half.

So we have 2 separate cooling systems, The engine block is cooled by a conventional cooling system with a conventional water pump. The intercooler and the water cooled turbo have their own dedicated coolant circuit with an electric independent pump which possibly explains the slightly odd placement of the intercooler being half way between the turbo, the expansion tank and the inlet valves.

I suppose that's one way of dealing with the heat of the turbo heating your engine block coolant under heavy loads, also the heat of the turbo under stop start conditions.

Seems like a lot of work for 114bhp..

But I should say Stellantis have changed the Puretech to a similar spec to this at its latest update so timing chain, also only runs Otto cycle combustion at full throttle, on part loads it uses VVTI to run on the Atkinson cycle.

Of course being a Toyota none of this is obvious and it just kinda works but without the amusing boost of the C3 and it doesn't even feel like it's turbo'd at all other than the torque available. Some could say it's more interesting to think about the engineering than the end result is.

However being a 4 cylinder it's got none of the low rpm truculence I associate with the turbo 3 it has a solid flywheel it also has none of the lag making it incredibly easy to pull away smoothly in and it's surprisingly nippy in a big bus while doing mid 40s mpg.

I've got the Citroën tomorrow I look forward to having to learn to drive it all over again..

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

@Pugglt Auld Jock

I feel like we've spent possibly slightly too long discussing various boosted small engines so this may be of interest.

New one to play with..first of all...it seems huge because it's a 4 not a 3.

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So it would appear to be mounted in the same orientation as the VW group units turbo at the rear intake at the front it also has a water to air intercooler similar to the VW. So 180 degrees to the Puretech and also not air to air like PSA and Ford.

The weirdness seems to come with why is the intercooler there? Then you realise that expansion tank has 2 fillers...and is indeed split in half.

So we have 2 separate cooling systems, The engine block is cooled by a conventional cooling system with a conventional water pump. The intercooler is and the water cooled turbo have their own dedicated coolant circuit with an electric independent pump which possibly explains the slightly odd placement of the intercooler being half way between the turbo, the expansion tank and the inlet valves.

I suppose that's one way of dealing with the heat of the turbo heating your engine block coolant under heavy loads, also the heat of the turbo under stop start conditions.

Seems like a lot of work for 114bhp..

But I should say Stellantis have changed the Puretech to a similar spec to this at its latest update so timing chain, also only runs Otto cycle combustion at full throttle, on part loads it uses VVTI to run on the Atkinson cycle.

Of course being a Toyota none of this is obvious and it just kinda works but without the amusing boost of the C3 and it doesn't even feel like it's turbo'd at all other than the torque available. Some could say it's more interesting to think about the engineering than the end result is.

However being a 4 cylinder it's got none of the low rpm truculence I associate with the turbo 3 it has a solid flywheel it also has none of the lag making it incredibly easy to pull away smoothly in and it's surprisingly nippy in a big bus while doing mid 40s mpg.

I've got the Citroën tomorrow I look forward to having to learn to drive it all over again..

Interesting. I'm going to do some "looking into" before commenting here. Maybe a few days because I'm in the hospital tomorrow for pre op checks

 

[The Panda Nut]

Interesting. I'm going to do some "looking into" before commenting here. Maybe a few days because I'm in the hospital tomorrow for pre op checks

I can do the hip FOC. I met a bloke who was HSE for the place that makes joints. He said there were lots of "seconds" in a bin out back. Swiss army knofe and a couple of self tappers. I have some that came off the Panda somewhere...

Get there a few minutes early and give time for blood pressure to settle down. Its stressful enough without racing to arrive and having high blood pressure. I hope its a formality, but sure I can fix it for less. Unfortunately no warranty, parts sold as seen!

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

I can do the hip FOC. I met a bloke who was HSE for the place that makes joints. He said there were lots of "seconds" in a bin out back. Swiss army knofe and a couple of self tappers. I have some that came off the Panda somewhere...

Get there a few minutes early and give time for blood pressure to settle down. Its stressful enough without racing to arrive and having high blood pressure. I hope its a formality, but sure I can fix it for less. Unfortunately no warranty, parts sold as seen!

Thanks that man, cheered me up. Not that I'm actually all that depressed. Tomorrow is the serious checks day, Op on Wednesday. I know it'll be worth it in the end.

Warranty? I must ask for all the terms and conditions. I think I have to sign something which says that if it all goes pear shaped they aren't liable? Anyway, I don't care, just want rid of the pain.

 

[StevenRB45]

Interesting. I'm going to do some "looking into" before commenting here. Maybe a few days because I'm in the hospital tomorrow for pre op checks

Good luck!

Please don't find out they made the crank of cheese .

To be fair pre-purchase checks only dug out possibility of the usual carbon build up on a direct injection car (this apparently does not have 5 injectors like the hybrids) other than that couldn't really find anything other than the fact Toyota people prefer the hybrids.

Which I find slightly odd as avoids the slack rubber band performance of the CVT they are fitted with and is faster as a result... although it does give away about 10mpg real world.

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

Good luck!

Please don't find out they made the crank of cheese .

To be fair pre-purchase checks only dug out possibility of the usual carbon build up on a direct injection car (this apparently does not have 5 injectors like the hybrids) other than that couldn't really find anything other than the fact Toyota people prefer the hybrids.

Which I find slightly odd as avoids the slack rubber band performance of the CVT they are fitted with and is faster as a result... although it does give away about 10mpg real world.

The VAG EA211 engine series has a twin cooling system but rather different to your's I think. Although some VAG engines seem to have a bit of a reputation for carbon fouling - especially in the states - these wee turbo units don't seem to suffer too badly.

Like you I'd have gone for the petrol manual. As far as CVT goes I could live with the old DAF Variomatic as a classic car but not in a modern everyday car. I especially would steer clear of a metal belt type CVT as they don't seem to have a very good reputation for longevity either do they?

 

[StevenRB45]

The VAG EA211 engine series has a twin cooling system but rather different to your's I think. Although some VAG engines seem to have a bit of a reputation for carbon fouling - especially in the states - these wee turbo units don't seem to suffer too badly.

Like you I'd have gone for the petrol manual. As far as CVT goes I could live with the old DAF Variomatic as a classic car but not in a modern everyday car. I especially would steer clear of a metal belt type CVT as they don't seem to have a very good reputation for longevity either do they?

It's one of those things I think, it's a possibility for sure but I couldn't actually find anyone with a confirmed case of it already there is a TSB about it. It's mainly people with Hybrids saying "I'd not buy one of those!!!!".

If it happens it's not massively common, a bridge to cross if I get to it I think. There's cars for sale on Auto trader with 150k miles on this engine so it would seem my 76k one should have plenty of life left in it.

Toyotas CVT is meant to be very reliable but given the amount of hills I go up the sound of the NA 1.8 roaring away at 4k+ rpm would probably get a bit wearing. It's also over 12 seconds to 60mph while blaring at you.

Performance wise this is surprisingly snappy for size and weight of it probably about 9.5/10ths of the pace of the C3 with the close ratio 6 speed box versus the long ratio 5 speed.

 

[Cheest]

Get there a few minutes early and give time for blood pressure to settle down. Its stressful enough without racing to arrive and having high blood pressure. I hope its a formality, but sure I can fix it for less. Unfortunately no warranty, parts sold as seen!

^^^What PN said.

When I was stupid and broke my ankle, the ER staff were concerned about my elevated blood pressure. I don't suffer from hyper tension so I had to tell them, "Of course it's elevated, I just broke my fcuking ankle. Check back after I get the cast on." They did and it was down to normal. And every time after that.

 

[vexorg]

So we have 2 separate cooling systems, The engine block is cooled by a conventional cooling system with a conventional water pump. The intercooler and the water cooled turbo have their own dedicated coolant circuit with an electric independent pump which possibly explains the slightly odd placement of the intercooler being half way between the turbo, the expansion tank and the inlet valves.

I suppose that's one way of dealing with the heat of the turbo heating your engine block coolant under heavy loads, also the heat of the turbo under stop start conditions.

The later toyota GT4s had that, but much bigger. It shortens the length of the air flow so no lag, and simplifies it. 30+ year old stuff for them:

 

[The Panda Nut]

Thanks that man, cheered me up. Not that I'm actually all that depressed. Tomorrow is the serious checks day, Op on Wednesday. I know it'll be worth it in the end.

Warranty? I must ask for all the terms and conditions. I think I have to sign something which says that if it all goes pear shaped they aren't liable? Anyway, I don't care, just want rid of the pain.

Well for what its worth Ive known many people and have been astonished how well they did. My serious advice having seen my dad done in emergency, is get up and get going straIght away. Inactivity is your enemy. Nhs are superb at the ops, but seem less good at after sales service. Saw an article in the Telegraph a while back. After sales, sounds familiar? If you get moving straight away recovery will be much quicker. I also expect you to add bionic to your handle here somehow. If the Doc looks at you and does a long whistle through his teeth, dont give him a chance. Tell him it won't wash with you!

Ps found the screws!

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

Well for what its worth Ive known many people and have been astonished how well they did. My serious advice having seen my dad done in emergency, is get up and get going straIght away. Inactivity is your enemy. Nhs are superb at the ops, but seem less good at after sales service. Saw an article in the Telegraph a while back. After sales, sounds familiar? If you get moving straight away recovery will be much quicker. I also expect you to add bionic to your handle here somehow. If the Doc looks at you and does a long whistle through his teeth, dont give him a chance. Tell him it won't wash with you!

Ps found the screws!

Thanks. I'm just off into the shower to wash down with the antibacterial wash stuff - looks like the latest purple OAT antifreeze! Then a wee bite of breakfast - wheetabix mini chocolate I think? - Then into the car and off to the Murrayfield Hospital. Probably the last time I'll drive the car before I go under the knife on Wednesday.

I had both knees done about 18 years ago and got well stuck into the physio following that, so I'm well aware of what a difference getting up and moving as soon as possible makes.. Difference this time is I've got to arrange my own physio but I think my wee insurance pays for it?