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[s130]

This is worth viewing: https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/18869546/fined-thousands-making-way-for-emergency-vehicles/

I'll certainly think twice in future about how to handle emergeny vehicles.

 

[varesecrazy]

A friend of mine had the same scenario..

With a Fire engine at a junction.

The fire crew were sounding the Fire Appliances horn as well as 'Blues and Two's '

They moved around 4 feet.. opening just enough space for the Fire truck to drive past
EXPENSIVE MISTAKE !

It was their ADI test..and they Failed

 

[AndyRKett]

I’m surprised no one has actually commented on the pictures which clearly betray his claim of giving way to an ambulance.

Firstly there are two pictures, the first show him over the line the second shows him carrying on down the road.
Secondly the ambulance is well past him and In front of another car quite a way down the road even in the first picture as he crosses the line.
Thirdly it’s a two lane road and he is clearly the only car at the line therefore if there was an ambulance trying to get by, it would just use the second lane.

Even taking all that into consideration, it has been stated many times in the news and other media that you can give way to an emergency vehicle but giving way does not give you the right to break the law, so driving through a red light is no more permissible than driving at 100 mph in front of an ambulance just so you don’t slow it down.

The reason he states in the article that he is going to be writing to the court is that he knows himself that there is no way he will get let off for this one, I’m sure he probably just got a fixed penalty notice but was too pig headed to pay it.

 

[s130]

I’m surprised no one has actually commented on the pictures which clearly betray his claim of giving way to an ambulance.

Firstly there are two pictures, the first show him over the line the second shows him carrying on down the road.
Secondly the ambulance is well past him and In front of another car quite a way down the road even in the first picture as he crosses the line.
Thirdly it’s a two lane road and he is clearly the only car at the line therefore if there was an ambulance trying to get by, it would just use the second lane.

Even taking all that into consideration, it has been stated many times in the news and other media that you can give way to an emergency vehicle but giving way does not give you the right to break the law, so driving through a red light is no more permissible than driving at 100 mph in front of an ambulance just so you don’t slow it down.

The reason he states in the article that he is going to be writing to the court is that he knows himself that there is no way he will get let off for this one, I’m sure he probably just got a fixed penalty notice but was too pig headed to pay it.

That is a little remis of me.

I took your post and official picture as a clear sign/proof the guy was trying to wriggle. It is obvious from the picture he was "travelling" as opposed to moving minimal distance to clear a parth and also the ouside lane was clear so not obstructed.

What drew my attention is that we are programmed to help and behave in certain ways when life is at risk. So an emergency vehicle on a safety mission to be obstructed by me at a red light does not make me feel good or responsible. Did me sitting at the red light cause/result in someones death? You will probably ever personally know but I/we do care.

Whilst police and emergency vehicles have certain exemptions and leways on road legalities which you/we know, I could/would argue that you refusing to move because of a red light could be deemed to be "an obstruction of legal duties" and thus you could be prosecuted ????

I can also understand why the GOV does not want to put some specific guidance into the legal higway code because there will be those who deliberately and consistanly jump red lights etc. and will try to claim some sort of "get out" when caught.

And if you try to argue in court the "Law Is An Ass" (in this respect) you can expect double even trebble the fine or driving ban.

If we intelligent and mindful / caring people can get this sort of instinctive reaction wrong then I hate to think how driveless vehicles, legal defenses etc. are ever going to accepted/judged in similar circumstances.

If in doubt open the window and chuck the keys out as you could possibly??? claim you were not in control of the vehicle and not liable for any action/inaction by yourself. (Only joking )

 

[The Panda Nut]

I can believe it’s not butter but…
That I can’t get hold of panda cross bumper end trims anywhere in the country but i can get them from the EU at half the price INCLUDING delivery

Oh what a surprise.... Not.
I can't work out who is gaining from this sort of thing. But you can be sure someone somewhere is gaining.

 

[The Panda Nut]

Mrs just returned from the post office. Apparently she cannot post daughter in laws birthday cards as international post is suspended due to some cyber attack / ransom demand. Its almost unbelievavble!

Probably putins dog pooh head scum villains again. May he rot underground long before he is actually dead. If its some one else I hope they are deported to Russia and habve to sleep with him!

Don't hold back... say just what you think......

 

[porta]

Mrs just returned from the post office. Apparently she cannot post daughter in laws birthday cards as international post is suspended due to some cyber attack / ransom demand. Its almost unbelievavble!

Probably putins dog pooh head scum villains again. May he rot underground long before he is actually dead. If its some one else I hope they are deported to Russia and habve to sleep with him!

Don't hold back... say just what you think......

Yup, we’ve got wool, fleece and rugs, held up in ‘forwarding’ depots, awaiting release to USA and EU…customers and us getting frustrated as it seems that we are able to receive stuff, and no information as to why?

 

[bugsymike]

Yup, we’ve got wool, fleece and rugs, held up in ‘forwarding’ depots, awaiting release to USA and EU…customers and us getting frustrated as it seems that we are able to receive stuff, and no information as to why?

There was a bit on the news 2 days ago saying Russian scammers are holding Parcelforce to ransom.

 

[porta]

There was a bit on the news 2 days ago saying Russian scammers are holding Parcelforce to ransom.

Yeah I saw that, but that’s the latest in a succession of hold-ups we’ve experienced trying to export stuff…often US customs like to ‘hold onto things’ or won’t accept stuff and it gets sent back to Blighty, not that it costs us anything for PF to resend.
We’ve also noticed that, quite apart from all the red tape brexit ‘freed us from’ meaning 4x the paperwork, but also that some countries/companies are doubling checks so customers have to wait for clearance before final dispatch, and that’s not just EU but also those in the schenzehn zone
I said this to a local MP who blamed the EU, I got the standard answer that it was the EU causing it but he didn’t like reminding that ‘we’ voted to become a third country!

 

[bugsymike]

Yeah I saw that, but that’s the latest in a succession of hold-ups we’ve experienced trying to export stuff…often US customs like to ‘hold onto things’ or won’t accept stuff and it gets sent back to Blighty, not that it costs us anything for PF to resend.
We’ve also noticed that, quite apart from all the red tape brexit ‘freed us from’ meaning 4x the paperwork, but also that some countries/companies are doubling checks so customers have to wait for clearance before final dispatch, and that’s not just EU but also those in the schenzehn zone
I said this to a local MP who blamed the EU, I got the standard answer that it was the EU causing it but he didn’t like reminding that ‘we’ voted to become a third country!

I voted for Brexit as I lost 3/4 of my customer base when Government tried the ERM fiasco years ago when trying to match the Euro.
Bureaucrats both sides of the Chanel are what is causing the problem, they are what gave us the pi** poor deal, all Politicians do is sign the paperwork put in front of them, as reading thousands of lines of writing is not within their skills remit.
Before we joined the E.U. we had traded with the Continent, worked and vice a versa for hundreds of years.
They just got their ar*e in the hands because we didn't want to keep being a "Net Contributor". It always annoyed me seeing great big signs saying projects were built by E.U. funding when, as we put more money in than we took out , it was certainly not E.U. Funding.

 

[AndyRKett]

The Parcel force/royal mail issue is well documented if you go look for it, basically a Russian group launched a Ransomware attack on the computer system that allows the UK postal service to hand over mail and parcels to other carriers in other countries. It is literally only this that is effected so anything that anyone is trying to post out of the country is stuck in limbo. and last I heard GCHQ are working on the problem.
I am not sure this is a specifically Russian Sanctioned attack, more that a lot of these groups operate in Russia because of the lack of law enforcement on cyber crime as long as they are attacking western countries.

This is a double edged sword for any would-be hackers/attackers as if the government in Russia take offence to anything they do or don't do, then they find themselves in a Siberian Gulag for the rest of their lives with a list of crimes as long as your arm used against them. Several Russian Cyber specialists/hackers and criminals have found themselves in prison or sent to the front line in the last year for not doing what was requested of them (or not being able to) I'm sure most of the internal hacks on Russian government websites probably came from inside Russia.

 

[chris3234]

Coming from a private sector management role, just because you can technically do without roles doesn't mean they are zero value.

All it does is move the work and responsibility down to the level below without the pay to go with it. Also tends to lead to no clear oversight as that will be bumped to the level above. Usually to someone who is A already busy and B wouldn't know if it's what's being reported to them is right or wrong because they're a long way away from "shopfloor" level.

Yes, if the people who were below the absent manager know their craft it'll be fine other than they now work 56 hours a week for 40 hours pay..but if they don't cock ups don't get spotted early because the next level up is too far away and to generalised to spot issues in specialisms.

Not that all managers are indispensable..but the private sector model is not one to look to if you want the right outcome every time. For people to do good work they need capacity available to think..if you're running flat out to just do the basics then things like innovation go because your people don't have the time to try and fail at things or learn new skills, you have to pay outside companies for that instead. Also people that busy don't have time to sense check their own work and the manager that would have is gone, and their defacto replacement probably doesn't know what they are looking at.

Yeah the recruitment company is ripping off the tax payer..but if that's the going rate they need the people. If they don't pay it they don't get cleaners or nurses or porters. It's not a shop people die if the jobs don't get done.

But many of the jobs are jobs that don't need doing


Such a advert I saw for a signage project manager for the nhs

Pay was £55-105 an hour

 

[bugsymike]

But many of the jobs are jobs that don't need doing


Such a advert I saw for a signage project manager for the nhs

Pay was £55-105 an hour

I thought the unions supplied the strike signs

 

[The Panda Nut]

But many of the jobs are jobs that don't need doing


Such a advert I saw for a signage project manager for the nhs

Pay was £55-105 an hour

WHere do I apply to?

 

[StevenRB45]

But many of the jobs are jobs that don't need doing


Such a advert I saw for a signage project manager for the nhs

Pay was £55-105 an hour

For how many hours work for how long?

My wife regularly looks at other posts.. usually a case of full time pays 40k+ a year, but max 15-20 hours a week so actually 19k.

Or fixed term which is useless if you want to be able to get a mortgage or rent.

If you want specialist skills short term you pay more for them... hospitals need signs do they not? Although once up..it's not like you'll be redoing them weekly.

Signage is very important dontcha know..the venerated Rees-Mogg even quoted it as Brexit benefit (oh how I wish that was satire..).

 

[chris3234]

Permanent and it was 25-30 h a week

For how many hours work for how long?

My wife regularly looks at other posts.. usually a case of full time pays 40k+ a year, but max 15-20 hours a week so actually 19k.

Or fixed term which is useless if you want to be able to get a mortgage or rent.

If you want specialist skills short term you pay more for them... hospitals need signs do they not? Although once up..it's not like you'll be redoing them weekly.

Signage is very important dontcha know..the venerated Rees-Mogg even quoted it as Brexit benefit (oh how I wish that was s

 

[porta]

I voted for Brexit as I lost 3/4 of my customer base when Government tried the ERM fiasco years ago when trying to match the Euro.
Bureaucrats both sides of the Chanel are what is causing the problem, they are what gave us the pi** poor deal, all Politicians do is sign the paperwork put in front of them, as reading thousands of lines of writing is not within their skills remit.
Before we joined the E.U. we had traded with the Continent, worked and vice a versa for hundreds of years.
They just got their ar*e in the hands because we didn't want to keep being a "Net Contributor". It always annoyed me seeing great big signs saying projects were built by E.U. funding when, as we put more money in than we took out , it was certainly not E.U. Funding.

Wonder where all the monies have gone then…ah yes, the brexiteers that ‘bet on the pound’, the politicians mates who didn’t want to pay the tax they were going to be forced to pay by the EU… brexit was never about taking back control, it was about protecting the interests of the rich with a little bit of xenophobia thrown in for the working class daily mail readers

 

[StevenRB45]

Permanent and it was 25-30 h a week

Well without knowing full details I won't comment much further but I will say it's unlikely every hospital has a signage manager on that money...a region perhaps.

A friend used to make good money telling people where to put lights and plug sockets.

Sounds ridiculous until you realise public buildings have a rather arcane set of minimum and maximum lighting standards and innumerable safety standards and it's very expensive getting it wrong.

It would not surprise me in the slightest if signage in a hospital has more rules than monopoly...

 

[The Panda Nut]

For how many hours work for how long?

My wife regularly looks at other posts.. usually a case of full time pays 40k+ a year, but max 15-20 hours a week so actually 19k.

Or fixed term which is useless if you want to be able to get a mortgage or rent.

If you want specialist skills short term you pay more for them... hospitals need signs do they not? Although once up..it's not like you'll be redoing them weekly.

Signage is very important dontcha know..the venerated Rees-Mogg even quoted it as Brexit benefit (oh how I wish that was satire..).

Well While I feel for your defense of your work, it does sound a bit over the side. It brings to mind my thoughts when attending the James Paget Hospital in Yarmouth where someone has actually spent money on emblazoning a big blue NHS logo into the tarmac outside the main entrance. My thought on seeing this pretty useless addition were unthinkable let alone unpritnable, I still can see no valid reason for anything other than plan tarmac and shudder to think of the cost incurred. I know it brightens things up but for as long as I can remember there has been a money shortage and I would question the morality of this expense. In my years in local government they also used short term consutants and at a hell of a cost. My reaction was to ignore them and refuse point blank to interact at any level. They always used to ask the resident staff what to do and sell these ideas on! Interestingly I was never once even challenged about my behaviour and rection to these people which begs the question how they did a report and what value it actually had. We always need a mix of employees,, contractors and consultants what we seem to lack is someone putting the brakes on payment of ridiculous sums to often unqualified incompetants with no experience of the areas they purport to service. Common sense dictates what the right order of cost should be. In my years of management I used to use outside people when things required (seldom) it but managed to pay a reasonable rate when doing so. All the rules on tendering have thrown away the abiliity of managers to manage and put such things in the hads of central purchasing and the like who while well meaninjg often miss the target. Conclusion, the world has gone mad. There is no time to manage and to think ahead and this is the result. Seems to matter not a lot whether private or public sector. I suspect best way is still the right way. If you think something needs doing do it and make sure its done the right way and a sensible price and keep records to show clearly there is ni impropriaty regardless of anything anyone else says or does. It worked for me. I got pulled many times and just stuck to my guns that is was a necessary expedeincy deklivering the right result at the best price. There were a lot of red and angry faces but when they couldnt reproduce the same result at anything like the same cost there was no comeback even once. The most stand out case was in the private sector where we were using a 1959 fork lift. I brought in a 2005 Toyota all singing dancing repalcement that was quicker and safer on a short term lease at a fraction of the weekly repair cost on the old truck. Senior management were so quick to take credit ffor this is was laughable.

 

[StevenRB45]

Well While I feel for your defense of your work, it does sound a bit over the side. It brings to mind my thoughts when attending the James Paget Hospital in Yarmouth where someone has actually spent money on emblazoning a big blue NHS logo into the tarmac outside the main entrance. My thought on seeing this pretty useless addition were unthinkable let alone unpritnable, I still can see no valid reason for anything other than plan tarmac and shudder to think of the cost incurred. I know it brightens things up but for as long as I can remember there has been a money shortage and I would question the morality of this expense. In my years in local government they also used short term consutants and at a hell of a cost. My reaction was to ignore them and refuse point blank to interact at any level. They always used to ask the resident staff what to do and sell these ideas on! Interestingly I was never once even challenged about my behaviour and rection to these people which begs the question how they did a report and what value it actually had. We always need a mix of employees,, contractors and consultants what we seem to lack is someone putting the brakes on payment of ridiculous sums to often unqualified incompetants with no experience of the areas they purport to service. Common sense dictates what the right order of cost should be. In my years of management I used to use outside people when things required (seldom) it but managed to pay a reasonable rate when doing so. All the rules on tendering have thrown away the abiliity of managers to manage and put such things in the hads of central purchasing and the like who while well meaninjg often miss the target. Conclusion, the world has gone mad. There is no time to manage and to think ahead and this is the result. Seems to matter not a lot whether private or public sector. I suspect best way is still the right way. If you think something needs doing do it and make sure its done the right way and a sensible price and keep records to show clearly there is ni impropriaty regardless of anything anyone else says or does. It worked for me. I got pulled many times and just stuck to my guns that is was a necessary expedeincy deklivering the right result at the best price. There were a lot of red and angry faces but when they couldnt reproduce the same result at anything like the same cost there was no comeback even once. The most stand out case was in the private sector where we were using a 1959 fork lift. I brought in a 2005 Toyota all singing dancing repalcement that was quicker and safer on a short term lease at a fraction of the weekly repair cost on the old truck. Senior management were so quick to take credit ffor this is was laughable.

Not to say there's no waste etc..but most the things flying about the news about the NHS and many other things bring this to mind.