Technical TwinAir and 0W-20 oil

[jrkitching]

I suspect the manual just specifies S2 synthetic as it simplifies stocking instead of having to stock B2, D2, G2 and S2, just stock the diesel version

Most likely it was done for emissions. The Euro4 1.2 Panda only just makes the 119g/kg CO2 cut for the cheap RFL band and to get there, they needed the thinner oil.

The non-VVT 1.2's aren't oil critical, so either will be fine from an engine wear perspective.

 

[koalar]

Most likely it was done for emissions. The Euro4 1.2 Panda only just makes the 119g/kg CO2 cut for the cheap RFL band and to get there, they needed the thinner oil.

The non-VVT 1.2's aren't oil critical, so either will be fine from an engine wear perspective.

I know if you put any old cheap oil from home and bargains in the VVT you get an occasional crank too advanced error, not sure what grade I was using at the time

I was going to go on about how the internet is misleading but was getting way off topic


The original question "0W-20 oil is indeed fine"

0W-20 is the correct oil for the 1L mild hybrid

 

[jrkitching]

I know if you put any old cheap oil from home and bargains in the VVT you get an occasional crank too advanced error, not sure what grade I was using at the time

I'd be more inclined to splash out a little more to buy decent oil for the VVT 1.2. The handbook for that one says 5W40 fully synth, and that link you posted earlier also says the same thing.

I've noticed higher mileage VVT 1.2's can rattle a bit more than equivalent non-VVT ones, especially when cold.

I'd choose the 60Hp variant in the 1.2 Panda anyday.

 

[AnthonyH]

I think Euro 6 engines are supposed to be on 0W-20 and for the manual to be disregarded. So in the case of the two cars mentioned by the original poster....the dealer is correct.

 

[koalar]

I think Euro 6 engines are supposed to be on 0W-20 and for the manual to be disregarded. So in the case of the two cars mentioned by the original poster....the dealer is correct.

Some euro 6 are some are not

The manuals quoted earlier are for the 0.9L twinair not the 1L

The 2022 is likely to be a mild hybrid 1L so 0W/20 is the correct oil, nothing else has ever been used

Turbo twinair 0.9L is different 0W/30 for a euro 6 engine

The original poster hasn't said which engine for the 2016 model without this information who knows what oil is recommended as it depends on engine, and not just year or euro version




5W/40 turbo twin air euro 5
0W/30 turbo twinair euro 5b/6
0W/20 normally aspirated twinair
10W/50 arbarth with power upgrade kit
5W/40 1.2 pre 2019
0W/20 1.2 post 2019
0W/20 1L mild hybrid

 

[Motorcyclist Colin]

I am now totally confused. However like The Panda Nut I shall keep my 2018 4x4 TA for EVER. At least for me, at my great age , forever won't be toooo long.
Meanwhile it will, like it or not, run on Castrol Magnatec 0w-30 as that was what it got (rightly or wrongly) from the Dealer from the time I bought it new in June 2018. It still has only 12000 odd on the clock, goes like s--t off a shovel, when asked, although apparently not fully run in, and sounds like a well set up Vincent Black Shadow when pushed hard.. That's good enough for me at least at the moment...If I'm wrong well I'm wrong, nothing new there.!
For anyone out there in the least bit interested, a pic of a well set up Black Shadow engine in a Frtz Egli frame .at Montlhery Circuit France

 

[koalar]

0W/30 is the correct oil for a 2018 turbo twinair

Website running slow so can't view your motorbike at the moment, looks good in the thumbnail, I will come back and try viewing latter

 

[The Panda Nut]

Or get it from the horses mouth and put your reg in here

Find the Right PETRONAS Lubricant

Discover more about PETRONAS lubrificant fluids and find the right engine oil for your needs.

uk.pli-petronas.com

Not sure about the oil recommended though A diesel oil would need further investigation! I may email them and query their 1st choice recommendation and check they have it right.

 

[koalar]

Not sure about the oil recommended though A diesel oil would need further investigation! I may email them and query their 1st choice recommendation and check they have it right.

Diesel will depend on year and whether it's got a DPF

Some are

Others are

The main difference will be low Sulphated Ash, Phosphorous and Sulphur to stop the DPF clogging

 

[The Panda Nut]

Diesel will depend on year and whether it's got a DPF

Some are

Others are

The main difference will be low Sulphated Ash, Phosphorous and Sulphur to stop the DPF clogging

Oddly the oil showing on their site under my Reg. No, is a Diesel spec. Even though its acknowledgeing its a 0.9 petrol. I havn't checked the handbook again to compare. I think there are some crossed wires.

 

[koalar]

What Year
Turbo or not

 

[dwardrian]

Forget Richard Hardie, they’re dismal. Try Sherwoods Fiat in Gateshead, I put them to the test recently with my TA and they know what they’re talking about.

Hey Marcus, just want to say thank you so much for this recommendation. For some reason, I thought Richard Hardie at Wallsend was the only one nearby - Sherwoods is actually way closer with me being just across the river. I dropped the car off there today and the difference in knowledge to Richard Hardie was completely night and day. They talked about how critical it was for the twinairs to get the right oil grade - and showed me on their system it requiring 0W-30 (so not sure what database richard hardie is pulling from... unless they were making it up) - and then proceeded to bring out a bottle of selenia digitek 0W-30. So I left that place totally stress free. They also phoned to say they'd noticed the suspension bushings are too worn / nearly totally out so are replacing them under warranty - my car was on the ramp at richard hardie a few weeks ago as they were supposedly hunting for the cause of a scraping noise, and they didn't mention this and said everything looks fine under there.

 

[Marcus Daly]

Great stuff. I was very impressed with them. Charge a fair price too.

 

[Zardo]

I can only add that several years ago, my Fiat/Abarth/Lancia/Jeep etc. dealer told me, that they now use 5-30 (or was it 0-30?) synthetic oil on all multi-air units (and probably on Twin-air, too) as apparently it's the better oil for the hydraulic valve actuator unit since it's less thick and even with the manual stating 5-40 for my car, they'd recommend to go down from 40 to 30. Now I'm not current with the 0-20 story. But if it's the official recommandation, there should be a document in the Fiat Elearn, in the section where all the official messages to the dealership network are stored.

 

[JayAre]

Or get it from the horses mouth and put your reg in here

Find the Right PETRONAS Lubricant

Discover more about PETRONAS lubrificant fluids and find the right engine oil for your needs.

uk.pli-petronas.com

My car - 2016 TA 4x4
Your ‘horses mouth’ - 5W-40 Fiat 955535-GH2

 

[koalar]

My car - 2016 TA 4x4
Your ‘horses mouth’ - 5W-40 Fiat 955535-GH2

I make that the correct safe oil for the 2016 turbo version of the TA

It's right on the borderline of euro 6, which can take 5W30

 

[JayAre]

I make that the correct safe oil for the 2016 turbo version of the TA

It's right on the borderline of euro 6, which can take 5W30

the car is petrol +Euro6 (reg April 2016)

I found how to search by reg number, selected Euro6 (others mentioned difficulty here - you must select “Filter” then input Euro5 or 6) but, curiously, it then lists:

“1st Choice”
Selenia WR Forward 0W-30 Fiat 955535-DS1 FOR DIESEL APPLICATION

“2nd Choice”
Selenia ECO2 CP 0W-30 PSA B71 2312 FOR MULTI-ENGINE PURPOSE

“3rd Choice”
Selenia Digitek Pure Energy 0W-30 Fiat 955535-DS1 FOR MULTI-ENGINE PURPOSE

0W-30 is correct (matches my h/book) but I find the listed+ranked ‘choices’ confusing - perhaps @The Panda Nut can throw some light on this?

 

[The Panda Nut]

the car is petrol +Euro6 (reg April 2016)

I found how to search by reg number, selected Euro6 (others mentioned difficulty here - you must select “Filter” then input Euro5 or 6) but, curiously, it then lists:

“1st Choice”
Selenia WR Forward 0W-30 Fiat 955535-DS1 FOR DIESEL APPLICATION

“2nd Choice”
Selenia ECO2 CP 0W-30 PSA B71 2312 FOR MULTI-ENGINE PURPOSE

“3rd Choice”
Selenia Digitek Pure Energy 0W-30 Fiat 955535-DS1 FOR MULTI-ENGINE PURPOSE

0W-30 is correct (matches my h/book) but I find the listed+ranked ‘choices’ confusing - perhaps @The Panda Nut can throw some light on this?

The diesel bit may be significant. If this is an oil with some detergent properties it may be a factor in keeping the uniair unit cleaner??

 

[koalar]

The diesel bit may be significant. If this is an oil with some detergent properties it may be a factor in keeping the uniair unit cleaner??

As long as it meet the required standards it does not matter whether it says diesel on the label

Modified Saab turbo race engines were often run on diesel Shell Rotella T6 and it's even been used in motorcycles with wet clutches

Be interesting to see if there's any logic to first choice, such as most expensive

 

[The Panda Nut]

As long as it meet the required standards it does not matter whether it says diesel on the label

Modified Saab turbo race engines were often run on diesel Shell Rotella T6 and it's even been used in motorcycles with wet clutches

Be interesting to see if there's any logic to first choice, such as most expensive

I paid something like £10.40 per litre from s4p and with 10% off thats pretty cheap. It also bulks up the order to get free delivery. I have to say in years gone by I just stuck to the specifications. I used mobil 1 for years and never had problems even towing a heavy 5 birth caravan at speed over big distances. I only worry about this thing because TA scares me and my wallet. The GEM tech advisor suggested todays oil additive packages are so specific it matters. Im not sure, but Im old and now cautious.