Technical Suspension Questions

[syphon123]

hi

Yesterday I put the rear of my car up on axle stands to paint the drums silver. While it was up, i had a good look round under the car, as you do. One thing I did find out, finally, after 2years, is that my sei is running on G-MAX springs. The code on them is 30 FI 14, and from that I have found out that the car is lowered 20mm.
As the car is running on 15s this is probably low enough, but my question is, are these springs any good. The second thing I noticed is that when the car is on all four wheels, the bumpstops are very close, if not touching.

So, what should I do, cut the bumpstops, or replace the suspension with a full springs and dampers kit. I was looking at the Spax PSX adjustable damping kit, but i'm not sure if this will be too low with my wheels, and they do catch when cornering anything but slowly as it is already.


Any help is much appriciated.

joe


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[mase]

usually u cant get much lower than 40mm on 15's without havin some scraping problems...

and personally i would cut the bumpstops.... just to make sure when goin over bumps an stuff.

oh and Gmax springs are very good! u done well there, got any pics of her?

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[syphon123]

hi

thanks for the reply.

https://www.fiatforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3767

thats her at the moment, except the rear side windows are now limo black too and the rear lights are no longer sprayed. I am washing her in a bit so will take some updated shots.

So do you think that the PSX kit would go on ok, or would the tyres catch to much? if they do go on, i am tempted as the arches would really disappear and be full of alloy.

thanks mate

joe

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[syphon123]

hi,

here are the pictures as promised. I have putone of the bumpstops up, which I have now noticed arn't touching. I think itmust havejust been on a funny slope.

https://www.fiatforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15277

thanks

joe

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[mase]

i was lookin at the spax kit but found some JK stuff a lot cheaper, an am so gonna slam mine when the time is right... proper gonna have to chop the bumpstops!!! tis all good, they aint that hard to do are they?

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[syphon123]

hi

im not sure ow easy they are to cut, but i have seenposts saying you can just cut them with scissors.
Im not to worried about that, its the rubbing of my 15s that worries me if I drop it any more. Has anyone got a sei dropped 40mm on 15s, and would rolling the arches help much.

cheers

joe

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[arc]

i have a cinq dropped on a spax psx kit (40-50mm drop.. not sure lol). the tyres hit the arches on every little bump. i have the std 13" wheels, but have 185/60s on them. I have a rolling radius of 276mm and a circumfrence of 1734mm. Thats a lot bigger than std

what tyres do you have on your 15"'s - whats your rolling radius>?

 

[PhatAshKi]

Ive got a question bout suspension, wen i go over the speed bumps a little quick i here a knocking from the rear, i read that it can be the bushes, springs or arm but is it possible that because i have a lot of wieght in the back from my subs that they are weighing the back down and making it much more lower than it is supposed to be,

Another thing is, is there a way to stiffen up the suspension on the rear of the car, the car is extremely heavy with my sub box and amp in the back, im gonna make a new box soon thats gonna remove the excess weight, but im curious if u can get stiffer suspension to sort it out

 

[MrDerv]

Originally posted by syphon123
One thing I did find out, finally, after 2years, is that my sei is running on G-MAX springs and from that I have found out that the car is lowered 20mm.

but my question is, are these springs any good.

You've had them for 2 years and you're asking if they're any good? I guess you don't drive much then to ask that question

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[Liam]

To stifen the car either buy different rated springs or get adjustable dampers, both will make the ride worse.

Liam

'97 Cinq Sporting, Imola Blue, Bumpers inserts and some parts painted red to colur code with seat belts,K&N, Janspeed S1 System, Tarox X drilled n grooved disc, SPAX ADJ. Dampers, Eibach Springs, Eibach Anti roll bar kit, OMP lower strut brace and some ICE

 

[The younger modder]

Originally posted by bloomfieldliam
To stifen the car either buy different rated springs or get adjustable dampers, both will make the ride worse.

Liam

'97 Cinq Sporting, Imola Blue, Bumpers inserts and some parts painted red to colur code with seat belts,K&N, Janspeed S1 System, Tarox X drilled n grooved disc, SPAX ADJ. Dampers, Eibach Springs, Eibach Anti roll bar kit, OMP lower strut brace and some ICE

sorry to go oof subject but have just noticed liam that in youre sig it saids you have Tarox X drilled n grooved discs, did they make a difference and how much were thay im gonna have to get disks soon as there worn and i figure that i may as well fit uprated ones, also did it bother youre insurance

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[syphon123]

arc - I am running on 195/45R15 tyres.
my rolling radius is 278.25
and my overall circumference is 1748.29

brickfoot - I see your point, but as ididnt fit them (came on the car when I broughtit), I dont know what standard springs feel like. I mean it seems to handle ok, but I wouldnt know if they are any differnt to standard or not.

cheers for any help

joe

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[arc]

with a rr larger than what i have, i think you are going to be catching the tyres all the time if you drop it 40mm from std unless you get the arches rolled as well

 

[syphon123]

hi

yeah Im trying to find somewhere to get them done, most people say itll be about30quid a corner. but I havent found anywhere in birmingham area that even doesit yet

joe

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[arc]

go to wigan/crewe, demon tweaks do it

 

[Liam]

The younger modder


You have PM re brakes

Liam

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[HP]

Joe, if you cut the stops you may find you get arch rubbing. It's a bit of a trade off - if you're tw*tting the bump stops all the time the handling won't be optimum, but it might stop it catching.

Pete.

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[syphon123]

hi pete. It seems to catch only when cornering and when I hit a bump in the road a bit wrong.

never thought of demon tweeks actaully. I might give em a bell.

cheers

joe

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