im have been asking some one who knows a lot about engines and he said there can be super charger put on to me 1242 engine so i might just take that up
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General super charger
who said that?
Turbo'ing it seems is better in money terms for performance gain otherwise everyone would be supercharging the engies instead of turbocharging them right?!
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Hope to see it done soon!
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not u tom me dads best mate works with engines and he said it is possible to have it done and it will be more relibale then the turbo and it aint going to cost loads to do
jamie86 said:
Well, its a game of two halves really from what I understand...
A Turbo has lag (it relies on exhaust gas momentum to spin the compressor), a (super)'charger doesnt as it doesnt have to spin up because if uses a series of gears to drive an impeller that is driven from the engine directly (so spins up as fast as the engine does)
Conversely, this means it is effective at a lower engine speed, so a charged car may not pull as well thru the gears as a turbo'd car.
In an ideal world, both are used...I understand (dont know) that the Integrale (well a rally spec one) uses both a Supercharger and a Turbo, as the
'charger eliminates the turbo-lag.
If im talking rubbish, please tell me!!!
littleyellowcar
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thats how i understand it tom
Tom yep spot on by my knowledge!
The Lancia Delta u mean is the S4......
and was only a 1.8 iirc
The Lancia Delta u mean is the S4......
and was only a 1.8 iirc
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IIRC TBsei was originally gonna try an get a charger from a mini on his 1.2 16v but i think it proved a lot harder than originally planned.
u need a new remappable chip amongst other things...
however if anyone finds out that this is possible i would LOVE one as the sound a charger makes is beyond any noise a car can make.
u need a new remappable chip amongst other things...
however if anyone finds out that this is possible i would LOVE one as the sound a charger makes is beyond any noise a car can make.
i think it was steve wright that was planning using a supercharger off a mini cooper s could be wrong though
i cant remember for sure...
i am sure andrew will b around sooner or later to correct me if i am wrong!
i am sure andrew will b around sooner or later to correct me if i am wrong!
mase_abarth said:
Nah listen to a V8 idling sex on a stick!
Actually your right a supercharged V8!
it is just the whine of the belt when u proper open a super charged car up!
like the one off mad max, truly god like sound!
like the one off mad max, truly god like sound!
I've copied this from a post I put in the Lombard RAC Rally thread in leasure lounge.
"The problem with superchargers is they actually consume power as well as creating it, so there comes a point where they become inefficient, but they have no lag being belt driven, and you can't just wind up the boost like a turbo because it is constrained by the speed the belts turns. Thats why you find superchargers don't get used that often. OK the MINI Cooper S has one, which shows what can be done with an old Chrysler engine, tis true the MINI engine is same as the Neon that thoroughbred of a car, but the rumour is that the MK2 will be turbo charged with a better BMW designed engine.
Turbos don't consume any power at all being driven by the exhaust gasses, therefore the are more efficient and can spool up to any speed creating almost endless amounts of power, but of course you have lag as the exhaust gases build up, the bigger the turbo the bigger the lag, but engines and turbo's are getting better all the time & the noticeable lag in some modern turbos is negligible, SAAB, Volvo the VW/Audi group all do low boost non-lag turbo engines now.
Lancia tried to overcome this with the Delta S4 which had both, a small supercharger to gain lots of low down torque & over come the lag & a big turbo to kick in when the supercharger wained, it worked as it produced over 600bhp from 1.8L."
NEW BIT WHICH RELATES TO THIS THREAD.
To be honest there is a negligible diff in reliability of a super charger versus a turbo charger as both spin at very high speeds, at very hot temperatures & need a good supply of oil to feed them, there are many a SAAB (US market their biggest) 900 Turbo's out there with way over 200,000miles on them on original turbos. Remember in the US an engine has to pass a reliability test where you have to bench test the engine to cover 110,000miles without changing anything except maybe oil?, (as an aside, this is why Lotus moved to the Toyota engine in new Elise as the engine had already got US approval)
As with any boosted car that was not intended, it all comes down to quality of job, and consequent servicing by the owner as you will need to increase service intervals for the consumables like oil, filter etc. but any boost job will show up if they drive train or cooling system has any weaknesses.
On a small engine like the Cinq a super charger has its merits, but the extra space needed to get a belt drive could prove problematic.
If someone thinks they could do it, & you had the time & money needed to do the job, I would say go for it!
"The problem with superchargers is they actually consume power as well as creating it, so there comes a point where they become inefficient, but they have no lag being belt driven, and you can't just wind up the boost like a turbo because it is constrained by the speed the belts turns. Thats why you find superchargers don't get used that often. OK the MINI Cooper S has one, which shows what can be done with an old Chrysler engine, tis true the MINI engine is same as the Neon that thoroughbred of a car, but the rumour is that the MK2 will be turbo charged with a better BMW designed engine.
Turbos don't consume any power at all being driven by the exhaust gasses, therefore the are more efficient and can spool up to any speed creating almost endless amounts of power, but of course you have lag as the exhaust gases build up, the bigger the turbo the bigger the lag, but engines and turbo's are getting better all the time & the noticeable lag in some modern turbos is negligible, SAAB, Volvo the VW/Audi group all do low boost non-lag turbo engines now.
Lancia tried to overcome this with the Delta S4 which had both, a small supercharger to gain lots of low down torque & over come the lag & a big turbo to kick in when the supercharger wained, it worked as it produced over 600bhp from 1.8L."
NEW BIT WHICH RELATES TO THIS THREAD.
To be honest there is a negligible diff in reliability of a super charger versus a turbo charger as both spin at very high speeds, at very hot temperatures & need a good supply of oil to feed them, there are many a SAAB (US market their biggest) 900 Turbo's out there with way over 200,000miles on them on original turbos. Remember in the US an engine has to pass a reliability test where you have to bench test the engine to cover 110,000miles without changing anything except maybe oil?, (as an aside, this is why Lotus moved to the Toyota engine in new Elise as the engine had already got US approval)
As with any boosted car that was not intended, it all comes down to quality of job, and consequent servicing by the owner as you will need to increase service intervals for the consumables like oil, filter etc. but any boost job will show up if they drive train or cooling system has any weaknesses.
On a small engine like the Cinq a super charger has its merits, but the extra space needed to get a belt drive could prove problematic.
If someone thinks they could do it, & you had the time & money needed to do the job, I would say go for it!
All comes down to the good of forumalae of
Max power= time+money!
Max power= time+money!
my 1242 made similar soundmase_abarth said:
Where would you put the supercharger? - it'd have to be driven from the belt end and there ain't much room down there.
Haven't you seen fast and furious!!!
beastyjay
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has any1 seen the new max power? they`ve got a guide 2 moddin a punto and says avanti will turbo a 1242 for £1450 and u get 170bhp at 1.25 bar or for £2500 u can get 190bhp. the only prob is it doesnt say whether its for the 1242 16v or 8v...
