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Big Al
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Re: NOS
No way it looks mint and will be metal.....well done Rob.....
No way it looks mint and will be metal.....well done Rob.....
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Started fitting the NOS guys and gals
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Dillinger
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NOS
There is a kit like this one on ebay atm.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=735500860
(but with a blue bottle)
There is a kit like this one on ebay atm.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=735500860
(but with a blue bottle)
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Rob D
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Nude pics with NOS to come!!!
hehehe! Nige I'll be taking some pics of the bottle in bed with me if that will do???
hahaha
hehehe! Nige I'll be taking some pics of the bottle in bed with me if that will do???
hahaha
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Rob D
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Re: Metal!!
That dosent sound too bad Al? hows all the insurance stuff coming along?
Its getting close to the meet now are you gonna gave all the lights fitted and the bumper sprayed for dec?
looking forward to seeing you again Bud its been ages!!
That dosent sound too bad Al? hows all the insurance stuff coming along?
Its getting close to the meet now are you gonna gave all the lights fitted and the bumper sprayed for dec?
looking forward to seeing you again Bud its been ages!!
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Rob D
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Re: NOS
Any one who wants nos wants to keep an eye on that Dil! nice one m8
Its weird that people think Nos melts parts of your engine?
I'll go into detail about what I've learned about the laughing Gas over the last couple of months later.
Nitrous dosent burn warm it burns cold the main danger is the inlet manifold getting so cold through over use that it cracks.
I know what you're sayin about the manifold though but that would only be if some one was using it far too often and running bigger jets than the car can handle.
I would just like to say that I couldnt have done this with out Crazy Davis who is out getting very drunk as we speak....................
I dont think I'm gonna have it all done for Saturday Si.
Heres a few pics of tonights work.
I had to move tha amps around a little to fit the 10 pounder in!
Any one who wants nos wants to keep an eye on that Dil! nice one m8
Its weird that people think Nos melts parts of your engine?
I'll go into detail about what I've learned about the laughing Gas over the last couple of months later.
Nitrous dosent burn warm it burns cold the main danger is the inlet manifold getting so cold through over use that it cracks.
I know what you're sayin about the manifold though but that would only be if some one was using it far too often and running bigger jets than the car can handle.
I would just like to say that I couldnt have done this with out Crazy Davis who is out getting very drunk as we speak....................
I dont think I'm gonna have it all done for Saturday Si.
Heres a few pics of tonights work.
I had to move tha amps around a little to fit the 10 pounder in!
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The Mighty
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Nitrous
It seems that there are a few myths surrounding the use of nitrous (If I see another magazine article referring to it as nitro I will have to castrate a small animal - Nitro Methane is a very different substance)
Nitrous Oxide is not a cold burning fuel at all, it is not even a fuel in the context of a petrol engine.It is used to make the petrol burn more efficiently by supplying more oxygen to burn it with, this means it will then burn hotter. Therefore to make significantly more power it needs to be directly injected along with more fuel. Unlike the fogger/plate kit which just adds some into the air which is being drawn in. You will find that high power applications not only use extra jets for the nitrous in the inlet manifold but also extra fuel jets which are also solinoid activated.
Put enough of the stuff in with no extra fuel and it will melt pistons and valves due to the engine running too lean, therefore hot.
Have you ever seen a nitrous explosion, it happens, don't ignore it, if your gonna use nitrous on the road make sure you carry a large extinguisher, just in case. If it happens to you, no doubt it'll do significant damage anyway, but you might save your car from being gutted.
The other point which might be of interest is just about the Bravo family engines and their ability to learn. By now we should all know about Shell Optimax and its effects, two days of good performance and then a gradual decrease as the ECU realises that the fuel is carrying an additive which makes it burn more efficiently, does this sound familier. I don't know what effect this would have on a nitrous oxide injected car, but it doesn't look favourable for everyday running. It looks like without the nitrous performance could decrease as the ECU learns that the engine is running lean, it might also lose quite a few mpg, if it tries to make the engine run richer.
I'm no expert as you can probably tell, but there's so much **** flying around about what it is and what it does, I just thought I'd give you my P.O.V.
The Mighty
It seems that there are a few myths surrounding the use of nitrous (If I see another magazine article referring to it as nitro I will have to castrate a small animal - Nitro Methane is a very different substance)
Nitrous Oxide is not a cold burning fuel at all, it is not even a fuel in the context of a petrol engine.It is used to make the petrol burn more efficiently by supplying more oxygen to burn it with, this means it will then burn hotter. Therefore to make significantly more power it needs to be directly injected along with more fuel. Unlike the fogger/plate kit which just adds some into the air which is being drawn in. You will find that high power applications not only use extra jets for the nitrous in the inlet manifold but also extra fuel jets which are also solinoid activated.
Put enough of the stuff in with no extra fuel and it will melt pistons and valves due to the engine running too lean, therefore hot.
Have you ever seen a nitrous explosion, it happens, don't ignore it, if your gonna use nitrous on the road make sure you carry a large extinguisher, just in case. If it happens to you, no doubt it'll do significant damage anyway, but you might save your car from being gutted.
The other point which might be of interest is just about the Bravo family engines and their ability to learn. By now we should all know about Shell Optimax and its effects, two days of good performance and then a gradual decrease as the ECU realises that the fuel is carrying an additive which makes it burn more efficiently, does this sound familier. I don't know what effect this would have on a nitrous oxide injected car, but it doesn't look favourable for everyday running. It looks like without the nitrous performance could decrease as the ECU learns that the engine is running lean, it might also lose quite a few mpg, if it tries to make the engine run richer.
I'm no expert as you can probably tell, but there's so much **** flying around about what it is and what it does, I just thought I'd give you my P.O.V.
The Mighty
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Nigel
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Bandwagon
Without wanting to jump on the bandwagon (and incriminating myself again!), I did wonder about this. Nitrous was very popular when I was a lad (!) back in the 80's when just about every Kwaker Z1000 had a nitrous kit strapped to it. A lot of the old skool Eswcort MK1 and MK2 boys did it as well.
However this practise started to die out by the early 90's becuase of the advances in auto electronics and I must admit this is the first attempt I have been close up to for what must be 10 years and I was quite suprised when I first saw it.
It will be interesting to see the results and the longer term effects on the car and how the ECU behaves. Like The Mighty says Rob, ensure you have a hefty fire extinguisher located in the cabin and preferably a release point under the bonnet.
Good luck with it anyway.
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Without wanting to jump on the bandwagon (and incriminating myself again!), I did wonder about this. Nitrous was very popular when I was a lad (!) back in the 80's when just about every Kwaker Z1000 had a nitrous kit strapped to it. A lot of the old skool Eswcort MK1 and MK2 boys did it as well.
However this practise started to die out by the early 90's becuase of the advances in auto electronics and I must admit this is the first attempt I have been close up to for what must be 10 years and I was quite suprised when I first saw it.
It will be interesting to see the results and the longer term effects on the car and how the ECU behaves. Like The Mighty says Rob, ensure you have a hefty fire extinguisher located in the cabin and preferably a release point under the bonnet.
Good luck with it anyway.
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Dug
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Re: Bandwagon
I wish you all the best with the kit, I hope it works out for you.
As far as I can see, the main dangers of running NOS is detonation (caused by poor fuel or too high compression ratio for the system) and eaten gearboxes, caused by over-revving. Make sure you don't fire this in first gear...
It's a little-known fact that Nitrous Oxide was used in WWII, on Supermarine Spitfires. It was top-secret at the time, and the pilots were told that if the throttle was pushed fully forward through a wire gate, they'd go into the engine 'redline'.
It was even kept from the factories where the Merlin engines were built. They couldn't understand how, on stripping down returned engines, the pilots had managed to bend the con rods...
I wish you all the best with the kit, I hope it works out for you.
As far as I can see, the main dangers of running NOS is detonation (caused by poor fuel or too high compression ratio for the system) and eaten gearboxes, caused by over-revving. Make sure you don't fire this in first gear...
It's a little-known fact that Nitrous Oxide was used in WWII, on Supermarine Spitfires. It was top-secret at the time, and the pilots were told that if the throttle was pushed fully forward through a wire gate, they'd go into the engine 'redline'.
It was even kept from the factories where the Merlin engines were built. They couldn't understand how, on stripping down returned engines, the pilots had managed to bend the con rods...
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Anonymous
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Re: Re: Bandwagon
Nige + Dug cheers guys your input is always welcome.
As far as the ecu go's I'm having a rolling road sesh before I start yo use the NOS to make sure that every thing is professionally setup. Crazy Davis and myself have put plenty of ground work in as far as research go's. Its been tremendous learning experience. I'll fill you all in as soon as I can. Lots of info to tell you after all. (not enough hours in the day!) Also in regards to the nos form the 80's. As far as NOS in the 80's go's things have progressed quite alot since then
but it still holds the same basic principles
The mighty you truely are a Nitrous fountain of knowledge!!! Have you ever used it at all? I'll reply to you in a tick an fill you in on your blunders.
Rob D
Nige + Dug cheers guys your input is always welcome.
As far as the ecu go's I'm having a rolling road sesh before I start yo use the NOS to make sure that every thing is professionally setup. Crazy Davis and myself have put plenty of ground work in as far as research go's. Its been tremendous learning experience. I'll fill you all in as soon as I can. Lots of info to tell you after all. (not enough hours in the day!) Also in regards to the nos form the 80's. As far as NOS in the 80's go's things have progressed quite alot since then
but it still holds the same basic principles
The mighty you truely are a Nitrous fountain of knowledge!!! Have you ever used it at all? I'll reply to you in a tick an fill you in on your blunders.
Rob D
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Anthony
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Don't want to be spoil the party
I think the effects of NOS is fantastic, espically after watching Fast and Furious. I think the positioning of the tank is abit dangerous. Look whats has happened to people in the past week.
Are you sure keeping the NOS so close to you boot is a good idea........big bang theory.
Anthony
I think the effects of NOS is fantastic, espically after watching Fast and Furious. I think the positioning of the tank is abit dangerous. Look whats has happened to people in the past week.
Are you sure keeping the NOS so close to you boot is a good idea........big bang theory.
Anthony
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Rob D
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Re: Don't want to be spoil the party
Dangerous in what sence Ant???
Dangerous in what sence Ant???
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Anthony
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Dangerous.
NOS is stored as a gas in the cylinder(ain't it). So if someone went into the back of you then boom. I know it's a "what if" statement, but you proberly wouldn't walk away (if you know what I mean).
I could have got it wrong, it might be stored as a liquid but when exposed to air, it turns into a gas (very explosive)
It's proberly just me, but I wouldn't like driving around with a time bomb in the back of my car.
Anthony
NOS is stored as a gas in the cylinder(ain't it). So if someone went into the back of you then boom. I know it's a "what if" statement, but you proberly wouldn't walk away (if you know what I mean).
I could have got it wrong, it might be stored as a liquid but when exposed to air, it turns into a gas (very explosive)
It's proberly just me, but I wouldn't like driving around with a time bomb in the back of my car.
Anthony
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Mr Egg
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Well
Don't we all drive around with petrol tanks though in the back of our cars which are not as hefty as the nos bottle?
Don't we all drive around with petrol tanks though in the back of our cars which are not as hefty as the nos bottle?
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Barakka
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Gas Gas Gas !
Is the NOS stored as a pressurised gas in the cylinder ?
I ask because I know someone who's well into his scuba diving and has a green "Pressurised Gas" diamond on the back of his car so that the emegency services are forewarned in an accident - eg a pile up.
If it is pressurised then I wouldn't want that in my boot, yes we all have petrol tanks but they are designed for the possibility of an accident/rear impact.
Saying that I didn't see a pressure regulator which would indicate non-pressurised ?
Barakka
Is the NOS stored as a pressurised gas in the cylinder ?
I ask because I know someone who's well into his scuba diving and has a green "Pressurised Gas" diamond on the back of his car so that the emegency services are forewarned in an accident - eg a pile up.
If it is pressurised then I wouldn't want that in my boot, yes we all have petrol tanks but they are designed for the possibility of an accident/rear impact.
Saying that I didn't see a pressure regulator which would indicate non-pressurised ?
Barakka
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Sam
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Get it straight
For goodnes sake, can you lot please get at least some of your facts straight. No NOS is not explosive, it is NOT a fuel. Do not use a film for a scientific basis as to how a product works. As NOS warms the molecular structure breaks down and forms nitrogen (hence the cold statement earlier - YES the process does cool the detonation in the same way as an intercooler but this is by the fuel and the NOS) and oxygen (more oxygen = more fierce burn (assuming enough fuel) = more power). Re the explosive effect in a crash, the bottle is NOT fully filled with NOS but yes it is under pressure. A crack in the bottle will not necessarily cause a huge gas leakage that will cause the bottle to fail (remember the comment earlier about the petrol we all drive along with anyway - anymore dangerous?). Also why would carrying NOS increase your chance of a fire?????? It will only cause a problem if not correctly fitted and it comies into contact with a naked flame (likely??? NO) or in a crash where you car is on fire it could cause the fire to get more fierce if the bottle splits. To be honest, in the latter if your car is already a raging inferno enough to spread to the petrol tank/boot space, you must be off you nut to stand their with a hand held extinguisher!
Good on you for putting NOS in your car, you seem to have put enough thought and research into it, ignore 'The Mighty' (what kind ego calls for a name like this) and all the others who are using half baked urban myths together with half a thesis to come up with a comment with very little validity in it.
LONG LIVE BRAVOS WITH NOS
For goodnes sake, can you lot please get at least some of your facts straight. No NOS is not explosive, it is NOT a fuel. Do not use a film for a scientific basis as to how a product works. As NOS warms the molecular structure breaks down and forms nitrogen (hence the cold statement earlier - YES the process does cool the detonation in the same way as an intercooler but this is by the fuel and the NOS) and oxygen (more oxygen = more fierce burn (assuming enough fuel) = more power). Re the explosive effect in a crash, the bottle is NOT fully filled with NOS but yes it is under pressure. A crack in the bottle will not necessarily cause a huge gas leakage that will cause the bottle to fail (remember the comment earlier about the petrol we all drive along with anyway - anymore dangerous?). Also why would carrying NOS increase your chance of a fire?????? It will only cause a problem if not correctly fitted and it comies into contact with a naked flame (likely??? NO) or in a crash where you car is on fire it could cause the fire to get more fierce if the bottle splits. To be honest, in the latter if your car is already a raging inferno enough to spread to the petrol tank/boot space, you must be off you nut to stand their with a hand held extinguisher!
Good on you for putting NOS in your car, you seem to have put enough thought and research into it, ignore 'The Mighty' (what kind ego calls for a name like this) and all the others who are using half baked urban myths together with half a thesis to come up with a comment with very little validity in it.
LONG LIVE BRAVOS WITH NOS
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Barakka
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Re: Get it straight
We weren't quoting facts Sam, we were asking questions because we don't know the facts.
If it is a pressurised container shouldn't you have a warning triangle on the boot of your car as you are permanently carrying pressurised gas?
I now understand (thanks to you) that it is not a majorly flamable and dangerous gas like pure oxygen.
The warning stickers are used so that if your car is in a pile up the emergency services can see that you have something extra in your car that they should take into account.
Does this not apply to NOS ?
(See Question
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We weren't quoting facts Sam, we were asking questions because we don't know the facts.
If it is a pressurised container shouldn't you have a warning triangle on the boot of your car as you are permanently carrying pressurised gas?
I now understand (thanks to you) that it is not a majorly flamable and dangerous gas like pure oxygen.
The warning stickers are used so that if your car is in a pile up the emergency services can see that you have something extra in your car that they should take into account.
Does this not apply to NOS ?
(See Question
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Anonymous
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Re: Re: Get it straight
Technically you should probably carry a compressed gas symbol (green diamond) and an oxidising agent (red diamond) as NOS is quite a strong oxidiser.
I'm not sure about the compressed gas one, I have to for my welding gas and my friend has to for his diving stuff but the pressure is 200-300bar. (2800-4200psi!!)
NOS is at a much lower pressure.
Technically you should probably carry a compressed gas symbol (green diamond) and an oxidising agent (red diamond) as NOS is quite a strong oxidiser.
I'm not sure about the compressed gas one, I have to for my welding gas and my friend has to for his diving stuff but the pressure is 200-300bar. (2800-4200psi!!)
NOS is at a much lower pressure.
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Tom
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Re: Re: Re: Bandwagon
Have you changed the ECU? On the Weber IAW there is nothing you can change manually.
Have you changed the ECU? On the Weber IAW there is nothing you can change manually.
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Rob D/Ribzz
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Re: Get it straight
Cheers Sam.
That one of the things that dose my head in the most. ie. when people like the Mighty talk total rubish quoting myths and fabrication from what other people with no knowledge of the subject have told him. Some of what he said was correct though and credit to him for that!
As far as people saying Nitro go refering to NOS that is. Nitro is an abbreviation of an abbreviation.
Nitrous is what some people call Nitrous Oxide and obviously Nitro is the cut down way of saying Nitrous! Dose that make sence?? hehe I think you guys no what I mean.
As Dug said It can detonate the engine and that's through it not been setup properly. As far as melting pistons etc go that is through abuse and overuse and/running bigger jets than what the engine can handle.
Cheers Sam.
That one of the things that dose my head in the most. ie. when people like the Mighty talk total rubish quoting myths and fabrication from what other people with no knowledge of the subject have told him. Some of what he said was correct though and credit to him for that!
As far as people saying Nitro go refering to NOS that is. Nitro is an abbreviation of an abbreviation.
Nitrous is what some people call Nitrous Oxide and obviously Nitro is the cut down way of saying Nitrous! Dose that make sence?? hehe I think you guys no what I mean.
As Dug said It can detonate the engine and that's through it not been setup properly. As far as melting pistons etc go that is through abuse and overuse and/running bigger jets than what the engine can handle.
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Spyder
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Re: Re: Get it straight
Just read this lot what can I say, what a gas lol...
Sorry crap joke and had a bad day.
NOS does carry risks, but then for the easy and immediate power gains it would cost a fortune to replicate using normal tuning methods.
Good luck with it and teach those Nova's and VW GIT's a lesson.
Just read this lot what can I say, what a gas lol...
Sorry crap joke and had a bad day.
NOS does carry risks, but then for the easy and immediate power gains it would cost a fortune to replicate using normal tuning methods.
Good luck with it and teach those Nova's and VW GIT's a lesson.
