Technical Speedgear, whats in the box

[dave]

This box was bought with a bent output shaft and fitted with out knowing about it, it then destroyed the diff. Today it was stripped for scrap so photos were taken as people often ask what's in the box some seem to think there are 2 rubber belts in there lol.

















































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i think you will need to remove one or both of them big nuts and bearings to replace the belt.

 

[Ziggy122]

Now put it back together :devil::devil:

Always good to see whats inside

Btw are there 3 actuators sitting at the bottom there? with electrical connectors on?


Ziggy

 

[dave]

Now put it back together :devil::devil:

Always good to see whats inside

Btw are there 3 actuators sitting at the bottom there? with electrical connectors on?


Ziggy

i think they call them valves, and they often get sticky if fluid is too old

 

[AndyRKett]

Nice strip down Dave, Very interesting to see what's in these boxes

 

[homeward]

Where's the hamster...?

 

[portland_bill]

Just as expected. I still have the full service notes from the Rover training course when they used this box in the Rover 100. I was always interested as I started in DAF garage in the early 70s. Had a Punto Speedgear 03-04, loved it, still miss it.

Don't disturb the belt, it will fall apart in to all the individual segments and you won't get it back together again. They are likely to be all different thicknesses to prevent resonance. A new belt will be held together and "released" once between the pulleys. Once in place they cannot escape.

 

[s and b]

looks like a honda 90
of course one strand of straw would reduce this box to musch

thanks for the pictures it always gets me how guys in an office can design stuff like this,i gave up after year 3

 

[maciekelga]

Hi,
nice photos

Do You know wher is sensor for clutch system?
I still get the fault P1709 clutch system - invalid signal.
While driving the car gently jerk, then on dashboard i get the blinking gearbox fault lamp.

 

[dave]

Hi,
nice photos

Do You know wher is sensor for clutch system?
I still get the fault P1709 clutch system - invalid signal.
While driving the car gently jerk, then on dashboard i get the blinking gearbox fault lamp.

Hi,
I have problem with my CVT in Punto 2 1.2 16V 80KM.
While driving the car gently jerk, then i get the blinking gearbox lamp on dashboard.
I still get the P1709 clutch system fault.
The oil and filter are new (ori filter and oil Tutela CVT NG).

Maybe You known whats wrong

did you put enough oil in?

 

[dave]

I also can't find the electrical wirings for CVT gearbox. Maybe You have some od them?

i think you will probably be better off getting another used box, save messing about, they are quite cheap now

 

[maciekelga]

I put almost 2.5L oil.

In Poland is very difficult to find out this gearbox.

 

[maciekelga]

There is in gearbox some sensor for clutch? Maybe this alarm is becouse some loose connection.

 

[maciekelga]

Is it possible to change cvt to manual gearbox? What is need? Manual 5-gear gearbox, controller for engine, dashboard what else?

 

[dave]

pedal box,
i think the speedo in the speedgear operates from sensor in the gearbox as when i conected mine wrong the speedo didnt work, manual puntos with abs take speed signal from abs sensor iirc.
you may also need body ecu

 

[maciekelga]

It looks this is not to easy do this...

 

[dave]

it would be if you had a donor car for all the bits, but buying just the parts will be madness

 

[maciekelga]

So teoreticly if I will buy the same car, i mean Punto 2 1.2 16V 2001 but with manual gear box everything should be plug and play?
What with engine? May I left my old one engine and only put manual gearbox, ecu and rest staff?

 

[dave]

engine will be the same flywheel will need changing

 

[maciekelga]

Hi,
After chcecking few items I think that the problem is in torque converter/clutch.
I`d like to buy used and replace. Is it difficult to replace? Is more less like in normal gearbox that we dismountling gearbox, drain the oil and replace clutch/torque converter?

 

[Malek Daraghmeh]

This box was bought with a bent output shaft and fitted with out knowing about it, it then destroyed the diff. Today it was stripped for scrap so photos were taken as people often ask what's in the box some seem to think there are 2 rubber belts in there lol.

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i think you will need to remove one or both of them big nuts and bearings to replace the belt.

Hi dave ,
Still I can not determine the issue, I test my car today into Computer the error were P1709 clutch check and P1708 secondry presure check . please help me