Unfortunately the whiff of politics & everything associated tends to bring out the bad in people on forums, usually one sided views & cherry pick things in the media that sounds right to them.. Don't shoot the messenger.....
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I think what they mean is lazy people are given the money made by people who work hard and plan.
Indeed...my wife will agree I'm sure given shes worked 12 hour shifts all hours of the day and all days, worked the last 3 Christmas days for the nhs. As a result she's had a 1% payrise while some lazy fools in Westminster have sold the country down the river and lived on tax payer hand outs while giving themselves a 12% pay rise.
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I think what they mean is lazy people are given the money made by people who work hard and plan.
just over an hour left, if you havent voted get out and vote before these fools give the little the country has left away
"Indeed...my wife will agree I'm sure given shes worked 12 hour shifts all hours of the day and all days, worked the last 3 Christmas days for the nhs. As a result she's had a 1% payrise while some lazy fools in Westminster have sold the country down the river and lived on tax payer hand outs while giving themselves a 12% pay rise."
Exactly like me then. So your wife will know how incredibly, astonishingly, badly organised and managed the health service is, and how many billions are wasted in chaotic management and wrong implementations of all sorts, which after they fail are quietly and expensively dropped.
And yes, the politicians vote themselves big pay rises and perpetually screw up. They are all inadequates.
The trouble is the country is effectively bankrupt, like practically all modern states, and when the conjuring up of limitless fiat money to waste on mad schemes and ever increasing handouts to a greedy public finally ends in a huge economic collapse - see Venezuela - people will not blame their own greed. Politicians promise anything to win votes, but they can't pay because only we have the money, and most people have few savings and large debts, like loans for stuff they don't actually need, and the mortgages they do. There simply aren't enough rich to keep most people in the freebies they seem to demand. And anyway, why should the rich have their hard won or inherited assets taken to be given to people who make no real effort to manage their own lives sensibly?
Don't forget that the rich can always export their money, or, if necessary, go to the few economically sensible countries that are not over their heads in debt.
Exactly like me then. So your wife will know how incredibly, astonishingly, badly organised and managed the health service is, and how many billions are wasted in chaotic management and wrong implementations of all sorts, which after they fail are quietly and expensively dropped.
And yes, the politicians vote themselves big pay rises and perpetually screw up. They are all inadequates.
The trouble is the country is effectively bankrupt, like practically all modern states, and when the conjuring up of limitless fiat money to waste on mad schemes and ever increasing handouts to a greedy public finally ends in a huge economic collapse - see Venezuela - people will not blame their own greed. Politicians promise anything to win votes, but they can't pay because only we have the money, and most people have few savings and large debts, like loans for stuff they don't actually need, and the mortgages they do. There simply aren't enough rich to keep most people in the freebies they seem to demand. And anyway, why should the rich have their hard won or inherited assets taken to be given to people who make no real effort to manage their own lives sensibly?
Don't forget that the rich can always export their money, or, if necessary, go to the few economically sensible countries that are not over their heads in debt.
I don't think it could have gone better for Corbyn, he went from a predicted wipe out to 2% behind the conservatives in the popular vote despite Diane Abbott. He can use the result to end the infighting in his party and has shown Labour can be left wing not torylite and still gain ground.
Also as a bonus the conservatives get to be the party that caused caused and ballsed up brexit...with the extra cherry on top that despite spending the whole election relying on the gutter press to run endless "terrorist" smears against Corbyn they are now having to ally with the white Christian version of the Muslims who call for sharia law and support jihad..
The country is toast but as entertainment it's amazing.
Also as a bonus the conservatives get to be the party that caused caused and ballsed up brexit...with the extra cherry on top that despite spending the whole election relying on the gutter press to run endless "terrorist" smears against Corbyn they are now having to ally with the white Christian version of the Muslims who call for sharia law and support jihad..
The country is toast but as entertainment it's amazing.
All said & done & what we find ourselves left with really is not a good thing in my opinion. Things will drag on & on far worse than before. Coalition governments don't work here. In house bickering failure to agree & more.
In the meantime the electorate will suffer from more uncertainty & probably will cost more of our tax money having to use more time in meetings & hiring in specialist lawyers/experts etc. Watch this space......
In the meantime the electorate will suffer from more uncertainty & probably will cost more of our tax money having to use more time in meetings & hiring in specialist lawyers/experts etc. Watch this space......
In the current situation the electorate are the most likely to benefit, a majority government has free licence to do what ever the hell it wants even if it goes against what the electorate thought they were getting. They can pass into law pretty much what they want, using the party whip to put the pressure on the junior MPs who don't agree with what ever policy but don't dare go against the party.
Currently to pass anything into law the minority government is now reliant on the DUP who at any moment could change their mind, so the Tories will have to treat them with kid gloves or else see everything they want to do fail. This means no extreme policies like dementia tax, no overhauls of the health service or major changes to the benefits system. Any cracks in their own party and it all comes crumbling, so the Teresa May arrogance we have come to know is no more.
Currently to pass anything into law the minority government is now reliant on the DUP who at any moment could change their mind, so the Tories will have to treat them with kid gloves or else see everything they want to do fail. This means no extreme policies like dementia tax, no overhauls of the health service or major changes to the benefits system. Any cracks in their own party and it all comes crumbling, so the Teresa May arrogance we have come to know is no more.
Some see May as a dead woman walking, who knows there have been many changes of late. I still see things dragging on & on.
I think it's time to call it a day here.
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