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JonnyBoy

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Punto sorted... well, sort of!

Finally got round to sorting me head gasket 'other day! Got it skimmed for 20 squid, the guy at the skimming place said that it looks like it's been skimmed several times before and probably won't survive another skim :eek: nowt in the service history about head skims! :mad:

It now runs fine, no overheating, also fitted a new lambda sensor while the downpipe was off which seems to have cured the ECU light and 4500rpm limit problem on the motorway. Hopefully it'll stop drinking petrol as well :rolleyes: was a right royal buger to get the old one off: I had to angle grind the body of the sensor off so that I could get a normal 22mm socket onto it, then clamped it in a workbench and gave it hell with an 18" breaker bar. To say it was well siezed was an understatement, turning it took so much force I was seriously worried about breaking the 1/2" square drive thingy on my bar! It would have just destroyed one of the slotted lambda sensor wrenches that garages use.

Its still not perfect though... when I took it out for its first run after doing the head, there was a trickle of oil from the head/block joint just about the water pump :( I turned all the head bolts another 45 degrees which helped, although there's still a very small amount of seepage (i.e. after a 30-mile trip including motorways there was a tiny bit of wetness visible). Worth worrying about or not?

Also, theres a strange sort of groaning noise which comes in when the engine goes over about 1500rpm. Any idea what it could be? The belt and tensioner are brand new, belt tension is as per Haynes recommendation (ie can just be twisted through 90 degrees on the run from cam sprocket to water pump); I know that the alternator bearings are f***ed and it makes a high-pitched whining noise, so unlikely to be that; the alternator drivebelt is good and tight; and I replaced a worn out water pump last year which sounded nothing like the weird groaning I'm getting now. :confused:
 
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JonnyBoy said:
was a right royal buger to get the old one off: I had to angle grind the body of the sensor off so that I could get a normal 22mm socket onto it,
i used to have a special spanner for that, a ring with little cut out to slip wires through. but helz has got him now to hold to ransom to make me go to another meet, to rescue him :(
 
Yep, I used new head bolts, also made sure the bolt holes in the block were clean and wiped the bolt threads with oil. Only thing I can think of is that its got something to do with what the guy said about the head having been skimmed several times - perhaps enough metal's been removed to make those locating dowel things protrude too far from the head preventing it from sealing properly? The leak is at the front of the block just about the water pump bit and theres one of those dowel things in that corner.
 
i have a car in the garden that had too much skimed off the head but it didnt leak, poor girl i bought it off said i had the headgasket done by a garage but they said its got a hole in the piston. i stripped it there was no hole but head was skimmed so much the valves were lower than the surface when closed.
 
dave said:
... head was skimmed so much the valves were lower than the surface when closed.

Mine's nowhere near that stage thankfully. I'm in the dark about that oil leak, I spent an hour with a stanley knife blade getting rid of the old gasket and making sure the block surface was completely smooth so it won't be that. I think I'll just keep an eye on it for a few weeks and see if it gets any worse :rolleyes:

It seems to run fine, no problem with oil pressure and it's not dripping out, theres just a tiny bit of oil under the joint after the cars been driven. I'm wondering about putting another 45 degrees on the head bolts but I'd be a bit worried about snapping bolts, stripping threads or warping the head.
 
dave said:
its not running down from valve cover gasket is it? they always leek even new ones.

No, that was first thing I looked at. There's oil all down the back of it from filling it up :rolleyes: but nothing down the front.
I actually got a photo of the leak with my phone before I put the extra 45 degrees on the bolts:

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After I did the bolts, I wiped all that oil in the pic away and the car's been driven ~40 miles since in total. There's now a very small amount of oil on top of that bit of the block under the exhaust header, nowhere near as much as in that pic though, you have to literally stick your head in the engine bay to see it.
 
Heh, I'd like to think it did! :D

I'm off to Manchester and back next weekend via the snake pass, which should give the motor a good workout, so I'll keep an eye on the leak and the oil level. But I reckon that at the rate its losing oil it'd be 10,000 miles before it needed a top up. And since the car gets serviced every 4000 miles anyway it may ought to survive!
 
The oil feed hole is in the centre of the head at the front. Its either coming from rocker gasket, camshaft seal, or coming through bottom hole of the exhaust manifold bolt.
 
FiatExpert said:
... or coming through bottom hole of the exhaust manifold bolt.

It can leak through the exhaust bolt hole?! :eek:

Cheers for the info (y) I'll try removing and refitting the exhaust stud and see if that helps. If it's coming from the camshaft seals then it'd run down the bit hidden by the cambelt cover right?
 
Yeh it would run down behind covers, and come out on to block, if had cam out should always fit a new seal and the end cam cover when refitting smear with sealer on the bottom.(The bit that holds the cam down on that side with the seal.)
 
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