Police - New Driver Scheme - Opinions Needed

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Police - New Driver Scheme - Opinions Needed

You can make the test as fancy as you like, but it won't stop 17 year olds in Saxos thinking they can tool it into hairpins at 90
 
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just found this tread thought id put some comments across as im young ..

does nobody else feel that even if this does not make young (boyracers) drivers slow down it would make them "safer" at speed no matter what you do people will always break a speed limit and not a single person can say they never have !! a coarse like this could if anything make those that choose to speed slightly safer whilst doing it as they would have had experience in a safe controled environment ..

my driving instructor said to me " i know that when you get your driving license you will speed .. even if it for a few minutes a few days weeks or year hell ven your whole life .. so you may aswell learn to do it safely with me atleast that way you still a knoob on the road but a safer one at that .. " he then told me to put my foot down.. this was on my second lesson so it was scary as hell and continued for a few lessons .. i can honestly say thet i try to stick to the speed limits of there abouts (max 5-10 over on quiets roads) and on some i feel that the spped limit is too fast and very ubnsafe i.e country roads with nationsal limit (single track roads) wat the hell so its acceptable fopr me to drive unsafely at the speed limit in the coutry but not acceptable for me to drive safely just above the speed limit on a much larger empty road away from padestrions ect .. some limits are way off the mark ..
 
just found this tread thought id put some comments across as im young ..

does nobody else feel that even if this does not make young (boyracers) drivers slow down it would make them "safer" at speed no matter what you do people will always break a speed limit and not a single person can say they never have !! a coarse like this could if anything make those that choose to speed slightly safer whilst doing it as they would have had experience in a safe controled environment ..

my driving instructor said to me " i know that when you get your driving license you will speed .. even if it for a few minutes a few days weeks or year hell ven your whole life .. so you may aswell learn to do it safely with me atleast that way you still a knoob on the road but a safer one at that .. " he then told me to put my foot down.. this was on my second lesson so it was scary as hell and continued for a few lessons .. i can honestly say thet i try to stick to the speed limits of there abouts (max 5-10 over on quiets roads) and on some i feel that the spped limit is too fast and very ubnsafe i.e country roads with nationsal limit (single track roads) wat the hell so its acceptable fopr me to drive unsafely at the speed limit in the coutry but not acceptable for me to drive safely just above the speed limit on a much larger empty road away from padestrions ect .. some limits are way off the mark ..
The National Speed Limit on a single carriageway road is 60 mph. This equates to 84 ft/sec. Or if you like, about 27 mtrs/sec. It doesn't take much to get it wrong. A bit too much understeer at 60, you over-correct and it develops into oversteer and you spin off into a tree. Scenery 1 - Car 0. If you know how to set the car up for a bend correctly, then you stand a much better chance of coming out the other side. You might even enjoy driving on that type of road. On most National Speed Limit roads, you should be able to drive at that speed, but it's up to you as the driver to adjust your speed to suit the conditions. There will always be some roads on which you think, "Which idiot thinks 60 is OK on this narrow twisty road?" You need to remember that the white, round sign with the black diagonal band on it used to mean "No speed limit". That meant that the local authority had simply decided not to impose a limit on that road and leave it up to the individual to use his or her common sense and drive at an apropriate speed for that road. But, by implication, that meant you couldn't be prosecuted for speeding because there wasn't a limit. When the Motorways were first built, the same signs appeared on those roads. This limit became 70 with the advent of the "E-type Jaguar and its reported 150 top speed, remember that cars like the Morris 1100, Vauxhall Viva, Hillman Imp and Ford Anglia would struggle to exceed 80, and even big cars like the Vauxhall Cresta, Ford Zodiac and Austin Westminster would only just scrape past 100. It took the likes of the Jaguar Mk2 or Mercedes 350E to pass 120. With the "E-Type" and reports of AC Cars testing their Cobra 428 (7-litre) at 170 on the M1 scared the government of the day so much they introduced the 70 limit. But, that meant that because of the No Speed Limit "rule", you could drive faster on a rural road than you could on the Motorway. Eventually, 60 became the National Speed Limit on single cariiageway roads. That's the reason those white signs are seen on narrow roads. You, as the driver decide, based on the road, traffic and weather conditions, how close you drive to the prevailing limit. Hope that makes sense, because as I'm writing this at 02:44 on Monday morning and my brain has just farted.
 
The National Speed Limit on a single carriageway road is 60 mph. This equates to 84 ft/sec. Or if you like, about 27 mtrs/sec. It doesn't take much to get it wrong. A bit too much understeer at 60, you over-correct and it develops into oversteer and you spin off into a tree. Scenery 1 - Car 0. If you know how to set the car up for a bend correctly, then you stand a much better chance of coming out the other side. You might even enjoy driving on that type of road. On most National Speed Limit roads, you should be able to drive at that speed, but it's up to you as the driver to adjust your speed to suit the conditions. There will always be some roads on which you think, "Which idiot thinks 60 is OK on this narrow twisty road?" You need to remember that the white, round sign with the black diagonal band on it used to mean "No speed limit". That meant that the local authority had simply decided not to impose a limit on that road and leave it up to the individual to use his or her common sense and drive at an apropriate speed for that road. But, by implication, that meant you couldn't be prosecuted for speeding because there wasn't a limit. When the Motorways were first built, the same signs appeared on those roads. This limit became 70 with the advent of the "E-type Jaguar and its reported 150 top speed, remember that cars like the Morris 1100, Vauxhall Viva, Hillman Imp and Ford Anglia would struggle to exceed 80, and even big cars like the Vauxhall Cresta, Ford Zodiac and Austin Westminster would only just scrape past 100. It took the likes of the Jaguar Mk2 or Mercedes 350E to pass 120. With the "E-Type" and reports of AC Cars testing their Cobra 428 (7-litre) at 170 on the M1 scared the government of the day so much they introduced the 70 limit. But, that meant that because of the No Speed Limit "rule", you could drive faster on a rural road than you could on the Motorway. Eventually, 60 became the National Speed Limit on single cariiageway roads. That's the reason those white signs are seen on narrow roads. You, as the driver decide, based on the road, traffic and weather conditions, how close you drive to the prevailing limit. Hope that makes sense, because as I'm writing this at 02:44 on Monday morning and my brain has just farted.




makes perfect sense to me, although its now 3am lol,

i completley agree with you on the country lanes and 9/10 i just take a cruise through at 50, 40-30 if bad conditions or see a pedestrian, no point in taking something above your limit, because your car will become part of a tree, lol.
 
Q1. How to you feel when you hear about schemes launched by the government to re habilitate criminals? The one that sticks in my mind was several years ago a bunch of TWOCers were given cash to set up and run a racing team, whilst honest, law abiding me could barley afforded to run my “get to work” car and racing was something I dreamt of at night

Not really sure, part of me thinks that prision doesn't work, so they need something else, but then people who dont break the law, dont get anything.


Q2 what is the general opinion amongst the masses in relation to the standard of Police Drivers. I am not talking about years ago as the training has changed in the last five or so a year which means that all Officers are trained to advanced level to be a response driver (lights and sirens). `How would young driver feels about being given the change to learn advanced driving skills by a trained police driver. I.e. advanced corning, observation overtaking etc.

This isn't all police drivers, but emergency servies in general, but even when they dont have the lights on etc, I've seen them driving stupidly, lost count of the times when I'm going down the motorway and they've gone past me, atleast 100mph.

Would there be a difference between getting trained by the police, and doing pass plus? We learn about observation and overtaking in pass plus (Would advanced cornering just make people take more risks?).


Q3 what is the general view of the IAM (institute of advanced motorists). Is this still viewed as old folk with flat caps and driving gloves?

Dont know what it is.

Q4. As a young car enthusiast what is more important, the way your car looks or driving fast?

I'm not bothered about speed, it gets to 70mph rather quickly, so I'm happy with that, so looks if anything (Although I dont care about that either).

Q5 Do you drivers feel that the majority are being let down by the minority. I.e. one or two bad “Boy Racers” are resulting in all young drivers being classed as hooligans. If so if there was a way for you to prove that you were a better driver would you do it?

Of course, its like everyone that wears a hoody is going to mug you, I've never crashed (Well I have, but they wheren't my fault), I consider myself as a safe driver (Keep to the speed limits, dont take risks etc), and I'm still paying loads for insureance because of a few people.

The last question I dont have an opinon on, as car clubs dont really interest me.
 
Q1. How to you feel when you hear about schemes launched by the government to re habilitate criminals? The one that sticks in my mind was several years ago a bunch of TWOCers were given cash to set up and run a racing team, whilst honest, law abiding me could barley afforded to run my “get to work” car and racing was something I dreamt of at night

I feel it is very nu-labour and a great way to inspire our young to get a criminal record just so they can go banger racing. When I was young I would have given almost anything to have been doing what they were doing except nicking a car.

Q2 what is the general opinion amongst the masses in relation to the standard of Police Drivers. I am not talking about years ago as the training has changed in the last five or so a year which means that all Officers are trained to advanced level to be a response driver (lights and sirens). `How would young driver feels about being given the change to learn advanced driving skills by a trained police driver. I.e. advanced corning, observation overtaking etc.

I think the driving is good enough I can't remember hearing about a police crash around here just a few other things they need to work on.

Q3 what is the general view of the IAM (institute of advanced motorists). Is this still viewed as old folk with flat caps and driving gloves?

I am sure they still give out chrome and enamel badges to attatch to your badge bar. The few I know who have done the training now have a complex where they own the road and feel all other cars should move at the sight of their badge.

Q4. As a young car enthusiast what is more important, the way your car looks or driving fast?

I think it is 50/50. When you look at the tonne of plastic crap some ppl stick to their cars it really isn't to improve the aero or handling even though the guy in halfords told them it would. I think if there was this type of club it could educate kids on modifications and what they do to increase or decrease performance.

Q5 Do you drivers feel that the majority are being let down by the minority. I.e. one or two bad “Boy Racers” are resulting in all young drivers being classed as hooligans. If so if there was a way for you to prove that you were a better driver would you do it?

No I think it is just a boy racer thing. I only say this as anyone who mods their car wants to test it and most are gonna do this on the road or carparks etc. as there are very few places to play away from the roads as track days are expensive and some as really badly organised. When I was young I went to a track day with a mate and his pride and joy was totalled by a knob undertaking and sliding, collecting him and chucking him into the barrier. At least on the road if you make a mistake it's your mistake. Well organised track days where you don't get 50 on the track are too expensive.

(y) I think your idea is good, I think I would have signed up to it but the police bit does give it a bit of a stigma and the is the bit you need to make it credible.

It would be goog to include a bit of maintenance even if it is along side fitting uprated air filter etc. If you could get a couple of old bangers you could use them to demonstrate oversteer and understeer, if one has ABS and one doesn't you could let them see the difference in braking and if they break them they could learn how to fix them (basic stuff).

The points idea is good and I would say a max of 3 points as you don't wanna give the idea that one mistake and your screwed.

I know this is an old thread but I hope your getting support doing it as I would be good to see something like this going on. Let us know the progress.
 
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Q2 what is the general opinion amongst the masses in relation to the standard of Police Drivers. I am not talking about years ago as the training has changed in the last five or so a year which means that all Officers are trained to advanced level to be a response driver (lights and sirens). `How would young driver feels about being given the change to learn advanced driving skills by a trained police driver. I.e. advanced corning, observation overtaking etc.

This isn't all police drivers, but emergency servies in general, but even when they dont have the lights on etc, I've seen them driving stupidly, lost count of the times when I'm going down the motorway and they've gone past me, atleast 100mph.

Would there be a difference between getting trained by the police, and doing pass plus? We learn about observation and overtaking in pass plus (Would advanced cornering just make people take more risks?).


Q3 what is the general view of the IAM (institute of advanced motorists). Is this still viewed as old folk with flat caps and driving gloves?

Dont know what it is.


Q5 Do you drivers feel that the majority are being let down by the minority. I.e. one or two bad “Boy Racers” are resulting in all young drivers being classed as hooligans. If so if there was a way for you to prove that you were a better driver would you do it?

Of course, its like everyone that wears a hoody is going to mug you, I've never crashed (Well I have, but they wheren't my fault), I consider myself as a safe driver (Keep to the speed limits, dont take risks etc), and I'm still paying loads for insureance because of a few people.
Police drivers are trained to different levels. At response level they are trained
to drive Astras and Transits and the like. Some forces limit those officers to 20 mph above the prevailing speed limit and forbid them from becoming involved in pursuits. The next level is that traffic officers are trained to, which is considerably higher. Above that comes another level which includes covert observation, (there are Police motorcyclists doing that job who sometimes run at night without lights) they also escort diplomats, government
ministers and "Significant prisoners" who might be prone to assasination. The Traffic Cops take their driving a lot more seriously than "normal" Section Bobbies who tend to have the "Red Mist" descend from time to time.

Pass+ is basically an introduction to some of the situations that new drivers will not have experienced before and is useful in giving them some basic instruction in those areas. Most Section Officers drive in urban areas and as such their training majors in those disciplines most useful there. If people were
to push themselves fully into "Police" training it would be to a much higher standard than Pass+ simply because to be a Cop and be trained to the higher standards would mean you already had several years driving experience and have already undergone basic Police driver training and would not be relative novices.

The fact that you haven't heard of the IAM confirms their own suspicions that
they are not getting through to younger drivers. They came about (I think) over 50 years ago as driving standards were really poor. When I first joined in 1978, the IAM were still teaching techniques that were valid when cars had non-synchromesh gearboxes and drum brakes on the rear axle only (and none on the front). My car (a Vauxhall Chevette) had discs on the front and drums on the rear, radial ply tyres and synchromesh gearbox. It didn't have ABS, but otherwise wasn't that different from a new Punto or Corsa so I didn't see how relevant there techniques were. I left without taking the test. Things have changed since then but there is still an air of the dinosaur about them.
I don't know about old men, but I was 21 when I joined. The priciples are sound; they were then and still are now. The problem they had, in my opinion was that you either did it their way or not at all. There was a case for them to be more flexible but that wasn't really on the cards. If in doubt, join them you never know you might find they have something to offer. There are worse ways to spend £70.
 
just a bit more about pass plus.
i only did it for the cheaper insurance (although my family encouraged me to do it for safety reasons) but i did it before getting my car so no before/ after comparisons.

but it covered everything i needed to know to get a good start to my driving. ie, what speed to safely take a corner. positioning of the car in bends to maximise view of road in front.

at my sixth form though there was a difference between those which took pass plus and those which didn't. they were safer and also they tended to be the quicker drivers, overall for example, instead of racing down a straight and then crawling round a bend it'd be smoother and safer, spirited driving if you like not lewis hamilton wannabes lol. i went to a sixth form out in the sticks so country driving was a must.

My friend has recently passed her test and i'm recommending to her to do pass plus. and not to save her money 'cos she drives her mums car. and hasn't covered country roads!! or motorway driving!! in her lessons
 
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