Tuning Piping the induction kit into a different place. HELP!

[Mr Cousins]

So i fitted a Powertec induction kit to my 1.4 16v stilo like this:

It sounded great and worked pretty well, but recently i was told it was sitting around hot air and needs to be sucking it cold air for it to work and sound best, this means piping it down the hole to the right of where it's sitting now, i considered it but then went with the option of putting a K&N panel filter into the old stilo airbox and seeing what that was like, turns out, nowhere near as good as the induction. SO, the plan is now, to pipe the induction down the hole to the colder air coming in from the bumper as i want the power and sound back to what it was! I have no idea how to pipe this down and how to go about this so anyone with any ideas and sites or pipes and help on how to do this no matter how hard or simple please just throw your ideas and comments at me because i want my BBBWWAARRRPPP back.

Cheers
Joel

On a side not: Yes i know my engine needs a clean and i plan to clean it and paint the block and maybe some other bits, any ideas on what will make it looks better? Im not really sure what to touch or mess around with so if anyone could let me know?

 

[Muppet1]

You could try demon tweeks
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?cls=ROAD&pcode=SAMTCH6.5B linky thanks to roy.

You could then by some pipe and bends and take it down in the hole but not too low or you will be sucking in water if you drove through deep water. U look as if you have your undertray on still so that will help.

 

[Mr Cousins]

The undertray would stop some water coming up and into the induction then yeh?

How would i find the bore of the pipe? Just measure it? Would i want to buy it smaller so it fits inside the original black pipe? How would i fasten the pipes together?

I was also told that i need a hard pipe going into the induction not soft to make an air tight seal on it. How do i go about that?

I told you i was clueless, sorry about the questions.

 

[volxstu]

How much did you pay for that?
I thought your friend knew what he was doing, no wonder you have lost torque.
Get the standard box on for now and buy a GSR. It will give you a good sound but dont expect much in way of performance. It will just do less damage than you are doing there.

 

[Mr Cousins]

Ah :/ £75. Considering there like £100 it's not TOO bad. I'll look up GSR's now.

 

[Mr Cousins]

WOW the GSR's look very very good. I take it they come with all pipes and the filter. I need to sell this one and the panel filter i think and get a GSR

 

[dave]

So i fitted a Powertec induction kit to my 1.4 16v stilo like this:

where? all i can see is a 15 quid filter

 

[Mr Cousins]

Looks like ive been screwed a bit then. Ill try to get my money back.

 

[Mr Cousins]

correction, screwed ALOT.

 

[muppet42]

Yeah, that filter though metal gauze in nature wouldn't be any more than £25 odd without any reducers or the Powertec name attached to it. It's almost a carbon copy of the K&N 57i and Novitec kits for the 1.2/1.4.

GSR are the obvious option and it was the one I was going to go for but ended up building my own. Since no one had done it themselves on the 1.2, it was rather hit and miss but still managed to do it for £80-90 all in and that was including getting a £17 pipe after I damaged one trying to make things fit. The twin cone metal gauze filter I got, which I'm told was a little overpriced was £35 from Regal Motorsport ( http://www.regals-motorsport.co.uk/index.php ) and that had reducers and mounting bracket included.

The standard air intake pipe (on the the 1.2 at least) has an irregular resin coating on the inside to make it rigid. You can't see it when you take the airbox off as the ends don't have the resin for the first inch or so as said resin wouldn't allow a tight seal around any connections. The problem with this resin and it's irregular nature is the fact you can't really get an aftermarket bit of pipe and connections that'll fit very easily as I found out. My original plan had been to chop the pipe and simply attach a 45 degree bend and then the filter, but the resin kind of scuppered those plans

The nearest that fits is a 55mm pipe, I used some tapered washers to seal the pipe after I'd connected it to the throttle body as the diameter is around the 51-52mm mark. The breather pipe is another issue as it's 25mm in diameter at the end (outside diameter), but most t-piece pipes have the same diameter and so due to the rigidity of the pipe, you can't just attach it. It looked difficult to replace this breather pipe too with just a simple length of silicone pipe as there was another smaller pipe connecting to the OEM one. So, I cut that and sourced a reinforced pipe and hose clipped it on.

Anyway, I've tidied it up a bit since I took these pics - including the oil spilt on my rocker cover by the dealer. Mine looks like this...

...and it works rather well to say the least. May well add another cold air feed to compliment the cold air supplied by the original (as shown in pic 3), but have run it for 3 weeks now and not had any issues after a few hundred miles travelled. Sounds brilliant too, interesting burble/rasp between 2000 and 3000rpm then does a nice induction growl above that

I have to say though that although I saved money, it was a pretty stressful build process and not something I'd like to repeat. Even though I thought I'd planned everything, numerous issues arose and personally speaking I'd just spend the extra money, wait a few weeks/months/infinite amount of time and get a GSR. Unless of course you have the same kind of patience as I do