Panda Pandalicious and PandaCento

[A3jeroen]

Just to make sure... You really, really like the Panda's?

Love the Alfawheels!

gr J

 

[rmjbn1]

Hi A Most Excellent combination there! Good colour choice too

I like the noisy bits on yours, especially the Supersprint exhaust on the 1.2 - is that a stainless silencer?

Mine's still on its original back box (the outer skin has rusted away, naturally), painted black and with a frankly daft chrome tip Top of my 'wish list' for my Panda is a stainless exhaust with tubular 4-2-1 manifold like that:yum:

 

[Hansen_DK]

Hi A Most Excellent combination there! Good colour choice too

I like the noisy bits on yours, especially the Supersprint exhaust on the 1.2 - is that a stainless silencer?

Mine's still on its original back box (the outer skin has rusted away, naturally), painted black and with a frankly daft chrome tip Top of my 'wish list' for my Panda is a stainless exhaust with tubular 4-2-1 manifold like that:yum:

Thanks

It's the mild steel version of the Supersprint. TBF they are quite good quality and as far as I'm aware take much longer to give in to rust than the typical OEM item.
The tip is S/S, though. I found it locally, used; had to replace about 200mm of the pipe because the previous owner had been busy with a welder and an angle grinder. Apart from that, the rest of the black coating was completely intact.

I'm unaware of the quality of this item, but the cost seems bearable and perhaps a good start:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320976039811

Eventually I'll go for a Ragazzon cat-back (for the 100HP) once I'm ready with the manifold. 2021 MOT has a higher priority and the Ulter back box was cheap enough.

 

[rmjbn1]

Thanks, I've seen a few manifolds available, the only thing that puts me off is most have a disclaimer that it might not meet emissions standards required to pass an MoT in the UK... I guess there's only one way to find out...

I've also seen Ulter do a back box for the 1.2 on eBay, quite tempting for when mine finally wears out - I'd be interested to know what you make of it

 

[Hansen_DK]

Thanks, I've seen a few manifolds available, the only thing that puts me off is most have a disclaimer that it might not meet emissions standards required to pass an MoT in the UK... I guess there's only one way to find out...

I've also seen Ulter do a back box for the 1.2 on eBay, quite tempting for when mine finally wears out - I'd be interested to know what you make of it

Well, as far as emissions go, you could opt for a cat-less manifold and add a 400 cell. That should be sufficient.
A cat came with my manifold and it's a 200 cell one. If it does the job it does the job - I have no idea, TBH. It's for a later time, anyway.

The Ulter doesn't have quite the same finish as my Supersprint; the 100mm tailpipe is just put on and around what appears to be a smalle end pipe coming from the box itself and there's a gap between them. It's kind of a water-trap, I think, but that can be sorted by drilling a hole. No biggie - much better than what's already on there and I was curious as to what Polish craftsmanship can deliver :mrgreen

My 100HP has a mid silencer whereas my 69HP does not. The latter suffers a bit from exhaust drone around 3.000rpm which can be a nuisance for some - basically, the Supersprint makes more noise inside the cabin than outside, lol.

 

[DaveMcT]

The standard manifold catalyst (manicat) is used to meet the cold start emissions demands because its supposed warm up quickly. The side effect is poor gas flow and reduced engine efficiency.

Tube manifolds take longer to warm the catalyst, but the the warm rate is not considerably worse. They considerably improve exhaust efficiency and with the right catalyst they are just as clean at running temperature. Thermal wrapping might help - subject to manifold warranty. They should be a good upgrade for the 8V 1.2 engines specially if the OEM cat has failed.

I have found stainless tube manifolds labelled for the Punto 1.2 16 valve but have not found anything for the 1.4. I suspect they are the same but don't fancy buying one to find it wont fit.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-PUNTO-1-2-16V-SPORTING-4-2-1-STAINLESS-STEEL-RACE-SPORT-EXHAUST-MANIFOLD/320817096826?hash=item4ab230687a:g:kDcAAOSwZpJfNP0S

This search shows a few examples. Some have 200 CPI cores built in but they lose the efficient 4:2:1 header layout. maybe somebody will know if 200CPI is acceptable for road use.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=fiat+1.4+exhaust+manifold+stainless&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=fiat+1400+exhaust+manifold+stainless

 

[DaveMcT]

I replaced the exhaust system (cat back) on my 100HP. The long central box is as before but the back box is already corroding. I am considering fitting a "universal" back box in stainless probably made to measure as the costs are not silly. The issue is they are all the absorbent types without actual baffles. Noise levels would be a gamble though a baffle could be fitted if really needed.