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Have you seen the price of a Series 1 Lanny now? wish I still had mine.
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All my vehicles were older "bangers" generally just all I could afford, cars and motorbike/scooters etc. they would all be collectable? now.
I never owned a series one LandRover, just 2swb, 2a lwb(most rusty) a nice series 3 and a Defender 90.
A friend of mine had several including V8 Forward Control and we went to look at a very early series one, he was thinking of buying down by the river Dart, we needed to travel in a Haflinger to get to it, which I seem to recall had some kind of "bog chain " device to operate a freewheel system, it was over 50 years ago so memory clouded.
More recently a friends son sold his very rusty TD5 needing complete chassis etc. for £9k and it went to New Zealand.
There is a lot to be said for the simplicity and still availability of parts for early Land Rovers.
There’s a reason for parts availability on LR/RR, it’s because everything breaks or falls off…think I’ve mentioned before (I know, I’m boring you all) we’ve had three LR and one RR (as well as the Santana iveco 2.8) and they’ve all given me multiple reasons to hate them (except the Santana that only ever needed an Earth strap)
LR owners are well known as masochists!
I agree re Land Rovers, apart from off road/slippery conditions I found my Iveco Daily's towed much better and in comfort.
The Panda Nut
Nutty about Pandas Infected by Panda virus and OPD
Around 40 years ago I was working in the parks department ofa Lancashire local authority. My boss at the time, a leisure centre background decided he would order a long wheel base land rover to take the place of one of our tracors. He felt it would do a great job of towing trailed gang mowers. It would make transport between sites much faster. I did drive it 150 miles with a large trailer to collect the councils christmas trees and it was pretty uncomfortable if fun. Mr Boss was developing a marquee hire service, Im not sure what part of a local authority's business that was part supposed to be. Around 3 months in it was towing a badly loaded trailer and fully loaded with 8 passengers when it went into a snake and overturned. The only panel not bent was the ventilation flap beneath the windscreen. It was bent so much the top of one headlamp was level with the bottom of the other. It was also bent lengthways like a banana so you could reach inside between door and pillar on all 4 doors. The roof was stoved in too it was a miracle but no one on board was badly hurt. Sadly for him, if noone else it was never replaced. I guess either they are not so good at towing or that trailer was excetionally badly loaded. More recently I worked for a good local contractor and had the use of the company LWB defender on balloon tyres to supervise some work on coastal defences. Now that thing was fun and very good on the soft stuff on the Norfolk coast. It did break down on me though.
I dont recall bullying any Pandas then. That was back in the CItroen days.
I dont recall bullying any Pandas then. That was back in the CItroen days.
As an apprentice the garage was a fast two way A road and we could be sure of a crash recovery job once a week, easy to tell when to fire up the land Rover as traffic suddenly stopped in both directions.
So we often had quite heavy cars on a suspended tow hooked up to the Harvey Frost crane, the Land Rover was short wheel base so the front was often "pawing the ground" for the short distance to our garage in low range gear so slow.
Around that time I had the ignominy of writing off the second car I had ever owned, right outside the garage forecourt exactly 7 days from purchase a 1955 MG Magnette ZA for £40 (the going price at the time, now same car you could easily add two zeros) anyway the end of the story was I sold the remains to a friend I used to race Karts with who owned a MGA sports car which used basically the same twin carb 1500 engine.
I was towing it on the Harvey Frost crane Land Rover to his house with him in his MGA in front as the traffic lights went to red he stopped and I only just managed to do the same with both front rock hard 6.00x16 cross ply commercial tyres locked on the Land Rover as they were barely touching the ground due to the weight of the MG Magnette, he told me afterwards seeing me screeching up behind in his mirror he popped his car into gear and was already to shoot through the red lights to avoid the rear end collision. Happy days for a mad 18 year old, age. Children and mortgages do tend to have a calming effect eventually.
So we often had quite heavy cars on a suspended tow hooked up to the Harvey Frost crane, the Land Rover was short wheel base so the front was often "pawing the ground" for the short distance to our garage in low range gear so slow.
Around that time I had the ignominy of writing off the second car I had ever owned, right outside the garage forecourt exactly 7 days from purchase a 1955 MG Magnette ZA for £40 (the going price at the time, now same car you could easily add two zeros) anyway the end of the story was I sold the remains to a friend I used to race Karts with who owned a MGA sports car which used basically the same twin carb 1500 engine.
I was towing it on the Harvey Frost crane Land Rover to his house with him in his MGA in front as the traffic lights went to red he stopped and I only just managed to do the same with both front rock hard 6.00x16 cross ply commercial tyres locked on the Land Rover as they were barely touching the ground due to the weight of the MG Magnette, he told me afterwards seeing me screeching up behind in his mirror he popped his car into gear and was already to shoot through the red lights to avoid the rear end collision. Happy days for a mad 18 year old, age. Children and mortgages do tend to have a calming effect eventually.
To return to the original issue, it is a thing about small cars. They all tend to get treated with less respect than larger cars when on the road, although the refusal to work on them is silly. The valeter should have been pleased, with fixed prices, he'll make more money, as there's less to do. They're easy to work on, so any repairer refusing needs avoiding anyway.
Perhaps @SB1500 could give his views, if he's still around.
Perhaps @SB1500 could give his views, if he's still around.
They were exceptionally good at towing, although very slow, but also very susceptible to snaking if the download on the hitch was incorrect. If the trailer is pulling up, the whole thing is very unstable.
Hi @Big gerry, I'm in Northern Ireland too! Derry~Londonderry here. Is that a 4x4 you've got?
Beauty in my opinion. Looks like a pre-2016 so you've got the more Panda like interior with bright colours, original alloy wheels and I see a bunch of the genuine accessories too. Or is it a Trekking? either way, welcome to the Fiat Forum. I've not come across another forum online quite like this one for other makes or even other topics.
Unfortunately, I sold my 2017 Easy in 2020 just after one year of owning it. I finally gave into the temptation to buy a car with a massive spec and a lot more power after getting a couple of promotions at the time and having more money than I knew what to do with. I regret it more and more as what I loved the most about driving a Panda was the simplicity, how it punched above its weight in every way and how it drove and put a smile on my face. I started with a 2005 1.2 Dynamic model which was old when I got it and learnt everything I know about cars with that car. It also was a lesson in attitude and outlook on life, as it was a hand me down car, and truth be told it would have been the last car I'd have welcomed or chosen. I was one of those snobs who wouldn't have looked twice, and when I eventually was offered it I was even so afraid to tell my girlfriend at the time in fear that she'd find me to be a joke. But that changed massively as I owned it and genuinely became a fanatic! I did over 50,000 miles in 3 years in it and if it was still running today I'd buy it back in a heartbeat. Same with my 2017 Easy. As many on here will admit, there are more expensive and 'better' cars on paper, but there really is something to these little Italian Panda's that seem to win us over and it's hard to say exactly what, but if the prices weren't so crazy I'd be back to owning one tomorrow.
Sorry for the ramble, but in the topic of people pulling out. I had this in the Panda, both of them. People assume - especially in NI - that because of the car, you're either old or 'not into driving' and that they'll get stuck behind you so they take the first opportunity (or risk) to overtake you. It's frustrating as hell. I recently drove my grandmothers Panda Pop and even on that one evening drive, it happened a few times, especially at roundabouts. It's something I don't miss, but at one point did live with it. My best advice is that frankly, you're better to let them past you and than have a chuckle when in two minutes, you inevitably catch up because they're stuck behind a tractor or queue and can't do anything about it. Or, and it's a guilty pleasure of mine, watching them drive their Audi on the wrong side of the road to overtake 5 or so cars and watching natural selection and karma do its work whatever it will be... Alright, that sounds a little dark to put into words, but basically you're better off letting them act in their delusion and get out of your sight. When I got my DS3, it wasn't as bad, but still bad as I guessed they presumed I was a young girl who wouldn't put the foot down, but with that having 120hp they usually weren't expecting it and didn't keep up (I'm talking half the cars on the road which at best had similar power - not the bigger ones). I briefly had a Mercedes CLA as a courtesy car for two month, nobody, not even low end Audi's pulled out in front and other Mercs etc and 'nice cars' seemed to have a sense of respect for it. It's sad. With my Avensis nobody really pulls out only the people who I think would take the chance regardless. It's sad. I do find that drivers here are particularly bad, no idea why. I think the police are scared to prosecute some of them - you know how it is here :-/
Valeters are an interesting bunch. I'm 27 and I find most of them that are younger than me, or around the same age lack any sort of maturity. You'll usually see their blacked out old-as-dirt A4 or Passat sitting with the windows down and the 'hawaii' thing hanging from the wing mirror. When I see that at any car business I take my business elsewhere personally as to do that stuff to a car, you have no respect for or concern for mechanical integrity or proper care. When I got my 2017 Panda, I wanted the windows tinted so I looked up Google, Facebook etc to find people in Londonderry to do it. First three when they asked what car I said '2017 Panda', they text back saying "Sorry, I don't do that car". I managed to get one in Coleraine and he did an impeccable job. I later text him in 2022 to get the Avensis done, and he didn't reply at all - his presumption was I still had the same or similar car, message read not replied to. I sent a follow up. Same thing - they don't want to touch cars that they think won't look good on their Facebook pages it seems. All I can say it don't bother supporting these people with your hard earned cash, I bet he'd do your XC90 but because of the attitude take your business elsewhere is my advice. If you're near me, I know a guy who is an ex-LR Jaguar 12 year or so employee who did valeting for them pre-car shows and that, he was a website client of mine. Older guy, mature and has a very different view of the products and process than a guy my age who's just started doing it from his mums driveway.
To be fair though, with my '05 and '17 Panda's, I've also had a fair share of tyre fitters, part counter guys, car salesmen tell me how they've heard or know how great these little Fiats are and how quickly they'll sell and how little issues they'll have with them. Everybody tends to know someone who had one here. And that made me feel a lot better that not only did I find that these cars are great, but most people out there who see them don't look down at them or laugh at them. Frankly most people don't even think twice, they're so busy thinking about their own lives. Even when I was younger and my friends were, whilst many of them might not have considered or picked one never did it be a barrier for me socially like I'd have feared. If anything people wanted me to drive or take my car because all they heard was the amount of maintenance and things I was putting into it in terms of good brakes, tyres etc whilst most of their first cars - whilst much more expensive and comfortable - would break down as they were older, and in need of the same work but they didn't have any kind of concern or awareness of that so they'd have breakdowns and the likes.
The Panda's served me well and they opened my eyes to a wider outlook on life and money and material things. When I was a kid I loved Range Rovers and 4x4s and even as late as the XC90 reveal, I was ordering the brochures and following that - I liked the V40 too before I realised it shared so much with the Focus at the time! But as I had my simple, old Panda and was relatively new to driving and we'd fix things on it or do maintenance, then I'd help my uncle with his own Bora / my cousins Corsa D and their other car a 2013 relatively new diesel Yaris, he'd tell me about things and how they work and often it'd be the Panda having the most easy to access and fix, no nonsense approach, the VW and the Corsa having the stupidest over engineering or dimwitted approaches, and the Yaris rarely ever needing anything. Actually, it never needed anything at all except servicing and tyres and one DPF warranty issue common of most diesels at the time.
So my respect for Fiat, the Panda and 'what makes a good car' became much more personal. And no idiot in a old-as-the-hills soiled C-Class driving up my a*se or beat-A3 flashing the lights, or snotty technician over the phone or in person ever really could get in the way of what I liked about the car. People thought I was crazy for buying another in 2019, I went over to Glasgow for it and drove it back to NI! And now I can't forget the fact I was crazy to sell it, and give up on all of the things it taught me frankly.
This turned into a little bit of a personal essay, but hopefully was interesting enough. Depending where you are in NI I'd love to meet up and see the Panda, there is an NI Italian Motor Show but I'm not sure if it's been on since Covid and the lockdowns. Another NI member on here is @Wee Smurf if she's still about, she knows about the shows and things so would love to see your Panda at that sometime if it's on again next year, usually May
Beauty in my opinion. Looks like a pre-2016 so you've got the more Panda like interior with bright colours, original alloy wheels and I see a bunch of the genuine accessories too. Or is it a Trekking? either way, welcome to the Fiat Forum. I've not come across another forum online quite like this one for other makes or even other topics.
Unfortunately, I sold my 2017 Easy in 2020 just after one year of owning it. I finally gave into the temptation to buy a car with a massive spec and a lot more power after getting a couple of promotions at the time and having more money than I knew what to do with. I regret it more and more as what I loved the most about driving a Panda was the simplicity, how it punched above its weight in every way and how it drove and put a smile on my face. I started with a 2005 1.2 Dynamic model which was old when I got it and learnt everything I know about cars with that car. It also was a lesson in attitude and outlook on life, as it was a hand me down car, and truth be told it would have been the last car I'd have welcomed or chosen. I was one of those snobs who wouldn't have looked twice, and when I eventually was offered it I was even so afraid to tell my girlfriend at the time in fear that she'd find me to be a joke. But that changed massively as I owned it and genuinely became a fanatic! I did over 50,000 miles in 3 years in it and if it was still running today I'd buy it back in a heartbeat. Same with my 2017 Easy. As many on here will admit, there are more expensive and 'better' cars on paper, but there really is something to these little Italian Panda's that seem to win us over and it's hard to say exactly what, but if the prices weren't so crazy I'd be back to owning one tomorrow.
Sorry for the ramble, but in the topic of people pulling out. I had this in the Panda, both of them. People assume - especially in NI - that because of the car, you're either old or 'not into driving' and that they'll get stuck behind you so they take the first opportunity (or risk) to overtake you. It's frustrating as hell. I recently drove my grandmothers Panda Pop and even on that one evening drive, it happened a few times, especially at roundabouts. It's something I don't miss, but at one point did live with it. My best advice is that frankly, you're better to let them past you and than have a chuckle when in two minutes, you inevitably catch up because they're stuck behind a tractor or queue and can't do anything about it. Or, and it's a guilty pleasure of mine, watching them drive their Audi on the wrong side of the road to overtake 5 or so cars and watching natural selection and karma do its work whatever it will be... Alright, that sounds a little dark to put into words, but basically you're better off letting them act in their delusion and get out of your sight. When I got my DS3, it wasn't as bad, but still bad as I guessed they presumed I was a young girl who wouldn't put the foot down, but with that having 120hp they usually weren't expecting it and didn't keep up (I'm talking half the cars on the road which at best had similar power - not the bigger ones). I briefly had a Mercedes CLA as a courtesy car for two month, nobody, not even low end Audi's pulled out in front and other Mercs etc and 'nice cars' seemed to have a sense of respect for it. It's sad. With my Avensis nobody really pulls out only the people who I think would take the chance regardless. It's sad. I do find that drivers here are particularly bad, no idea why. I think the police are scared to prosecute some of them - you know how it is here :-/
Valeters are an interesting bunch. I'm 27 and I find most of them that are younger than me, or around the same age lack any sort of maturity. You'll usually see their blacked out old-as-dirt A4 or Passat sitting with the windows down and the 'hawaii' thing hanging from the wing mirror. When I see that at any car business I take my business elsewhere personally as to do that stuff to a car, you have no respect for or concern for mechanical integrity or proper care. When I got my 2017 Panda, I wanted the windows tinted so I looked up Google, Facebook etc to find people in Londonderry to do it. First three when they asked what car I said '2017 Panda', they text back saying "Sorry, I don't do that car". I managed to get one in Coleraine and he did an impeccable job. I later text him in 2022 to get the Avensis done, and he didn't reply at all - his presumption was I still had the same or similar car, message read not replied to. I sent a follow up. Same thing - they don't want to touch cars that they think won't look good on their Facebook pages it seems. All I can say it don't bother supporting these people with your hard earned cash, I bet he'd do your XC90 but because of the attitude take your business elsewhere is my advice. If you're near me, I know a guy who is an ex-LR Jaguar 12 year or so employee who did valeting for them pre-car shows and that, he was a website client of mine. Older guy, mature and has a very different view of the products and process than a guy my age who's just started doing it from his mums driveway.
To be fair though, with my '05 and '17 Panda's, I've also had a fair share of tyre fitters, part counter guys, car salesmen tell me how they've heard or know how great these little Fiats are and how quickly they'll sell and how little issues they'll have with them. Everybody tends to know someone who had one here. And that made me feel a lot better that not only did I find that these cars are great, but most people out there who see them don't look down at them or laugh at them. Frankly most people don't even think twice, they're so busy thinking about their own lives. Even when I was younger and my friends were, whilst many of them might not have considered or picked one never did it be a barrier for me socially like I'd have feared. If anything people wanted me to drive or take my car because all they heard was the amount of maintenance and things I was putting into it in terms of good brakes, tyres etc whilst most of their first cars - whilst much more expensive and comfortable - would break down as they were older, and in need of the same work but they didn't have any kind of concern or awareness of that so they'd have breakdowns and the likes.
The Panda's served me well and they opened my eyes to a wider outlook on life and money and material things. When I was a kid I loved Range Rovers and 4x4s and even as late as the XC90 reveal, I was ordering the brochures and following that - I liked the V40 too before I realised it shared so much with the Focus at the time! But as I had my simple, old Panda and was relatively new to driving and we'd fix things on it or do maintenance, then I'd help my uncle with his own Bora / my cousins Corsa D and their other car a 2013 relatively new diesel Yaris, he'd tell me about things and how they work and often it'd be the Panda having the most easy to access and fix, no nonsense approach, the VW and the Corsa having the stupidest over engineering or dimwitted approaches, and the Yaris rarely ever needing anything. Actually, it never needed anything at all except servicing and tyres and one DPF warranty issue common of most diesels at the time.
So my respect for Fiat, the Panda and 'what makes a good car' became much more personal. And no idiot in a old-as-the-hills soiled C-Class driving up my a*se or beat-A3 flashing the lights, or snotty technician over the phone or in person ever really could get in the way of what I liked about the car. People thought I was crazy for buying another in 2019, I went over to Glasgow for it and drove it back to NI! And now I can't forget the fact I was crazy to sell it, and give up on all of the things it taught me frankly.
This turned into a little bit of a personal essay, but hopefully was interesting enough. Depending where you are in NI I'd love to meet up and see the Panda, there is an NI Italian Motor Show but I'm not sure if it's been on since Covid and the lockdowns. Another NI member on here is @Wee Smurf if she's still about, she knows about the shows and things so would love to see your Panda at that sometime if it's on again next year, usually May
Hi Big gerry
I learned that the hard way in 2015 during a year of unemployment. I bought a cheap, done old Corsa C for £450. Sank another £450 into their initial diagnosis of a few problems (sub frame, oil pressure switch and a few more things). Went to the job centre to sign on a few days later for it to break down and be dripping petrol. Managed to limp it out and get it to the mechanic, where he said he'd look at it but I was waiting four weeks before realising they weren't going to touch it, Think I had like £300 left to my name as well, I naively thought spending the money would make the car good as new. I learnt that's not how old cars work! hahah
Then luckily, I got offered the 2005 Panda that October and had to choose between the two. Can you believe I genuinely had to think about it?! Everybody here knows how the story went from there Fond times really looking back, but learnt a lot about cars, the mechanic situation in NI and money.
I've found with this, it depends what you want done. They'll think nothing of a carbon clean on an old TDI engine but when you want anything other than oil or tyres or a bulb change, I've found most mechanics in my area as useless as a glass hammer. Watch for the old 'Leave it up on Monday and we'll get a look'. You ring on Wednesday: 'still haven't had a look, been flat out'. You call the next Wednesday: 'ah god yeah, we've just been so so so busy this last few weeks'. That's mechanics code for: we can't or won't fix your car but we'll waste your time.
I learned that the hard way in 2015 during a year of unemployment. I bought a cheap, done old Corsa C for £450. Sank another £450 into their initial diagnosis of a few problems (sub frame, oil pressure switch and a few more things). Went to the job centre to sign on a few days later for it to break down and be dripping petrol. Managed to limp it out and get it to the mechanic, where he said he'd look at it but I was waiting four weeks before realising they weren't going to touch it, Think I had like £300 left to my name as well, I naively thought spending the money would make the car good as new. I learnt that's not how old cars work! hahah
Then luckily, I got offered the 2005 Panda that October and had to choose between the two. Can you believe I genuinely had to think about it?! Everybody here knows how the story went from there
Fond times really looking back, but learnt a lot about cars, the mechanic situation in NI and money.
The Panda Nut
Nutty about Pandas Infected by Panda virus and OPD
I think 75 3ft marquee iron pegs in the rear had a lot to do with it!
Hi so so true in everything you said the more people hate it I like it even more Iam from Omagh so I’ll keep an eye out of any meets coming up next yearHi Big gerry
I've found with this, it depends what you want done. They'll think nothing of a carbon clean on an old TDI engine but when you want anything other than oil or tyres or a bulb change, I've found most mechanics in my area as useless as a glass hammer. Watch for the old 'Leave it up on Monday and we'll get a look'. You ring on Wednesday: 'still haven't had a look, been flat out'. You call the next Wednesday: 'ah god yeah, we've just been so so so busy this last few weeks'. That's mechanics code for: we can't or won't fix your car but we'll waste your time.
I learned that the hard way in 2015 during a year of unemployment. I bought a cheap, done old Corsa C for £450. Sank another £450 into their initial diagnosis of a few problems (sub frame, oil pressure switch and a few more things). Went to the job centre to sign on a few days later for it to break down and be dripping petrol. Managed to limp it out and get it to the mechanic, where he said he'd look at it but I was waiting four weeks before realising they weren't going to touch it, Think I had like £300 left to my name as well, I naively thought spending the money would make the car good as new. I learnt that's not how old cars work! hahah
Then luckily, I got offered the 2005 Panda that October and had to choose between the two. Can you believe I genuinely had to think about it?! Everybody here knows how the story went from there
Hi @SB1500 and Big Gerry!
I'm Panda-less 4 years now, but had my 2005 Panda Multijet over 14 years and 154K miles... Loved it and only changed my Panda to get a Multijet MiTo as it was the last new diesel available in the UK.
I think it's just a small car versus big car thing. I still find a little bit of this in my MiTo. Most recently in Castlebar when I was heading across a bridge suitable for one car only, I got halfway across only to find an overgrown SUV enter the other end. Having reversed back across the bridge, stupid woman admitted she wasn't great at reversing. I told her that she should learn to drive and while she was at it learn some manners as she shouldn't have entered the bridge in the first place, as I was already halfway across. I got that indignant look as she drove off.
I'm in Belfast so can't help out much with garages in the Omagh area.
I'm Panda-less 4 years now, but had my 2005 Panda Multijet over 14 years and 154K miles... Loved it and only changed my Panda to get a Multijet MiTo as it was the last new diesel available in the UK.
I think it's just a small car versus big car thing. I still find a little bit of this in my MiTo. Most recently in Castlebar when I was heading across a bridge suitable for one car only, I got halfway across only to find an overgrown SUV enter the other end. Having reversed back across the bridge, stupid woman admitted she wasn't great at reversing. I told her that she should learn to drive and while she was at it learn some manners as she shouldn't have entered the bridge in the first place, as I was already halfway across. I got that indignant look as she drove off.
I'm in Belfast so can't help out much with garages in the Omagh area.
All the biggest and most expensive SUVs round here are employed mainly as the ‘yummy-mummy’ school runs… they must outnumber the farmers 4x4s. We have quite a few panda cross around here, drivers probably all the same age as me, late 50’s, which isn’t bad seeing as the nearest dealers are Cleckheaton and Leeds
I used to live in Mirfield and Liversedge and come back to Heckmondwike a lot, I will look out for the panda cross’s, as Im on the look out for one. Or to drive one, so I can make up my mind, what version to buy
We used to live in Cheshire with a Series 2 Landy and a Peugeot 106, the Yummy Mummies in their big SUVs used to drive straight at the little Peugeot and would not stop, bullying you out of the way. Get in the scruffy Landy with a big Galvanised bumper and it was a different storey. I think the Panda would have the same issues as the Peugeot. Now I do get the impression our Panda is treated a bit like the 106 but we are not in Cheshire any more so it's not as bad..
When people bully, just stop. While you are moving, they expect you to yield, once stopped, their options are to deal with the problem, or deliberately hit a 'parked' car.
This works well when walking too. There are plenty of times when the footpath is wide enough for two, but a couple walking towards you stay alongside, just squeezing a shoulder in. If you collide while moving, you are both at fault. So just stop. Then they have to go around you. The anguish on their faces is amusing. Good fun.
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A friend used to do that, he would stop and sit there arms folded, until they sorted it out.
On a similar note, when teaching learners, people tend to follow very closely. Coming to a gentle stop, getting out and walking away is great fun. Or open the bonnet and peer in, as if it is broken. Watching them struggle to reverse away is part of the fun.
The same chap I mentioned in post #15 told a story about his dad. He was stopped at traffic lights when his car cut out or stalled as the lights changed and would not re-start. With the lights at green, the driver behind was sat there tooting his horn. My colleague's dad got out of his car, went to the driver behind and suggested that he could sit in the horn-tooter's car, pressing the horn, whilst the horn-tooter tried to re-start his car.
{Probably not advised nowadays, with road rage as it is}.
{Probably not advised nowadays, with road rage as it is}.
