Technical Ooops!!-!! Brakes ?

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Technical Ooops!!-!! Brakes ?

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:mad: going down the Otira Gorge (kiwis) 17% incline/decline, and the pedal starts going soft, pump pump and back it comes, only to go down again, not quickly but slowly, the 17% 2km decline had me pumping all the time, a good policy anyway I guess, but the disappearing pedal was a bit disconcerting. I diagnose a bad master cylinder, does anyone confirm this.
 
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If you push hard and it seems solid, but when you press lightly it slowly sinks then that is probably a damaged seal in the master cylinder.

Some master cylinders (particularly the older ones, which I guess an 84 Uno might have) can be pulled apart and most brake shops should be able to supply a new seal kit. Otherwise you replace the whole master cylinder.

But as Steve sugested its always worth testing the simplest thing first, so bleed the brake fluid first before doing anything else.
 
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New master cylinder for Uno costs 20euro = 17,6gbp, so I don't think it's worth repairing.
 
They generally aren't as easy to get over here in NZ. New Zealanders as a general rule are much more likely to prefer fixing something than people in Europe or the UK.

I think Mal can supply new master cylinders.
 
Master cylinder gets my vote too.

Some (i dont knwo about Uno's) strip completely, others have some pressed parts that do not allow you to seperate them all the parts inside for a full repair.

Tom
 
Thank you guys.

I think because it is an 84, and possibly never been looked at, I think I will take the advice of all and do both, 1st, bleed the system, renew the fluid, then take off the m/cyl brake booster and get them checked out.
 
Steve is right - could be a simple cause - water in the fluid. The water boils off when the brakes get really hot, and then the resulting vapour compresses, giving a soft pedal. Brake fluid is hygroscopic - absorbs water - and many people say that brake fluid should be changed every two years for that reason.

However, a brake pedal that's firm when you stamp on it and goes softly down to the floor otherwise is most likely the master cylinder.

I vote with the European view (replace not repair) on this one - master cylinders are not expensive over here either really (about $50). There WILL be corrosion pitting... in the unlikely event that the master cylinder bore shows NO corrosion, then I'd get new seals and rebuild. Once upon a time, people used to hone the cylinders and fit different seals. It's just not worth the effort now.

The driving conditions on those beautiful roads in the South are different to anything I've seen in England - it's no wonder that you've found 5th gear not especially useful - I've driven several standard Uno 70s and they won't ever pull 5th gear up those sorts of hills. Meanwhile I doubt that the Chas (1986Uno45S) 70SX red rocket ever has to cope with anything like a 17% 2km decline.

I remember wearing out a set of brake pads driving from Nelson to Takaka. Well, the brake pads were 'marginal' but would have easily lasted 6 months-1 year around town, I burned 'em down in one trip in the South Island :p Of course, being in a low gear for descending hills is the best idea, but even so there comes a time when you need the brakes.

-Alex
 
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So right alexGS, next you are in the SI you must drive the Otira Gorge. Quiet spectacular, like Crown range and Okaines and Le Bons on Banks Peninsula, but you have done Takaka already anyway!!

I think you may be right, for 50 a new MCyl is probably a good idea.
 
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