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Hi Guys,
Wondered if anyone could hepl me, I have a 2000 bravo 1.6 sx got it from a dealership last november, FSH (last serviced in September) and MOT'd the day I drove it off. The brakes have completely gone on it (I discovered this when I put my foot on them and went into the back of a landrover monster truck!!) I felt the brakes go. Now being a girl I don't know much about this sort of stuff and wondered whether anyone knew either a) of a fault on this year of bravo, or b) whether I've just been really unlucky or if in fact the car has not been properly maintained.

Does anyone have any advice what I should do? My insurance company are being useless, and if I am to pursue the matter with Fiat I'll be doing it independantly.
Thanks in advance for any advice, Emma
 
Hi Emma,
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "the brakes just went"And you say you felt them go?
Did the pedal just fall to the floor?
Did it seem to loose pressure ?
Were you speeding and driving too close to the land rover?
I haven't heard of any problems with the brakes.
Though there does seem to be a lot of Bravo/a in the scrappies near me with front end damage. (draw your own conclusions)
Sorry i'm not being much help here but if you can describe the feeling you had under your foot as you were braking and give as much detail as possible then i'm sure someone on here will have a better idea about what happened.

Rab. :)
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I'm only guessing

Effective braking could have significantly reduced if they were very wearn, but besides the feel and the noise, there is as far as I am aware, a brake wear warning indicator on Bravos that would have alerted you to this, so there must be a fault elsewhere I guess
 
inspection

Rather than guess on the likely cause of the accident here, you should ask yourself whether you were at fault at all. If you think you were not, but be brutally honest otherwise you will waste your time and money, then obtain an independent inspection and report either through one of the motoring organisations if you are a member or from a fully qualifed motor engineer.

You then need to start writing some letters to the dealer stating clearly what has happened and your belief that it was as a result of their failure to exercise sufficient care and skill in servicing the brakes prior to your purchase of the car and in provding you with an unroadworthy vehicle that the accident occured. You should send them a copy of the independent engineer's report. You have statutory and common law rights.

The independant report is most important. It should be conducted by a competent motor engineer and might cost you some money. It may provide the basis whether you have an action against the dealer from whom you bought the car back in November last year. Police reports if they were called as well as witness statements will be helpful.

The fact that it is now July almost 8 months later is not necessry fatal to any claim. You will have to show that the dealer did not service the car with reasonble care and skill and supllied it to you in an unroadworthy condition Given this was 8 months ago this will be very difficult to establish, as in 8 months you have presumably clocked up 6-8,000 miles poss more and there has been normal wear and tear through normal usage of the car which would require servicing. How old was the car?

You will also have to prove that if indeed the efficiency of the brakes was below standard it was due to the work of the dealer. I think this will be very difficult given the many variable factors and the time that has since passed since your purchase.

Did the dealer give you any warranty and how tightly drawn was it, ie the exclusions did they make these clear to you? Did the vehicle still have any manufactures warranty? If so you may have an action against them. You should seek approprate legal advice.

They (the dealer)will argue that when you purchased the car the condition was satisfactory. If 8 months down the line you are claiming that they failed to service the brakes properly prior to your purchase and the subsequent failure was so severe, why didn't you notice this before? This is where the independent motor engineer's report is so important. If you are not prepared to have one of these either because of cost or fear of them finding that the brakes were satisfactory and did not contribute to the accident or the accident would have happened anyway ie the brakes were not the cause then you need to ask yourself whether you are really trying to blame someone/something else for your lack of anticipation.

Do you have legal assistance with your insurance policy if so you might avail yourself of this, however they maybe reluctant to take on an issue which is really a consumer issue. An alternative opinion might be that the accident might well have occurred even if your brakes were in excellent condtion. Therefore the performance of the brakes was not a cause of the accident but your standard of driving fell below the standard of a reasonable and cautious driver. You have to ask yourself these questions otherwise your having a laugh. It is also a requirement that you keep your vehicle in a road worthy condition. An MOT is only valid for the day on which it is issued and even then it is not indiciation of a vehicle's condition. If your brakes had shown signs of wear or fatigue and you ignored or postponed getting them rectified and drove on the road then you may well be liable for this omission and could face prosection.

What was the damage to each vehicle and was anyone injured?

This is a complex matter and I feel it really needs careful consideration before you decide to proceed with your claims. An independent report of the conditon of your vehicle is crucial. I would recommend that at the same time or before you seek some legal advice. You may have to pay for this or it might be provided by your insurers but I think unlikely as the purchase of your car was an earlier consumer contract governed by the Sale of Goods Act, and the Sale and Supply of Goods and Services Act.

Best get some proper advice. It will take a long time and maybe expensive. But be aware of the length of time since you purchased your car and issues of causation.

On the limited information that you have provided it appears that you were at fault.

Good luck,

A.
 
Re: inspection

Wow, that was a well thought out and well written reply:)
 
Sale of Goods Act 1979

s.14 implied statutory term ie legisaltion about quality and fitness which can not be denied a consumer.

appearance, finish, freedom from minor defects, safety and durability.

s.34 buyers right to exmanine the goods - presumably you did? But must reject within a reasonable time (s.35)

s.35 (4) a buyer is deemeded to have accepted goods when after a reasonable lapse of time he retains the goods without informing the seller that he has rejected them.

Sale and Supply of Goods and Services 1982

s.4 the goods have to be of suitable quality or fitness.

s.13 the supplier will carry out a service with reasonable care and skill.

You will have to establish that the dealer failed in any or more of these categories.

The failure of a braking component might mean that the manufacturer of a component could be liable as well as the dealer. Very complex.

You have a difficult task and will need expert technical advice as well as a good solicitor.

If you were not injured count yourself lucky and draw a line under it and put it down to experience all be it a painful one.

Did the Landrover pull out in front of you? Witnesses? Or were you just unable to stop and drove into the back of him as you were not paying attention.

Did you think of using the handbrake to slow you before you hit the Landrover? What a vehicle to hit. I guess you came off a lot worse. Is your car a write off?

Sounds like you were lucky not to be seriously injured or killed.

Drive more cautiously.

Life goes on and avoid Landrovers.

ttFn,

Paul
 
'Brakes have completely gone' is a tad vague. You really need to give a better description of exactly what happened.

If you are going to persue a claim then get an independant engineers report.
 

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