General fiat coupe 16v turbo.. :)

[dark_sounds]

hi all,, im new,,, ive strayed from the VW side... lol up until now my only experience with fiat is a tipo,, which was quite nice actually..

anyway looking to buy a coupe 16v turbo,,, but apparently theres a turbo problem??? any common faults to look out for? as much info as poss is very much appreicated... also costs involved with possible turbo problems....

apparently owner says that the turbo misfires at higher speeds?? or something like that,,, im assuming distribution? though one guy told him its turbo related problem??

anyone help? anyone recommend a garage in south east london (croydon) area to deal with this??



one more final question how much for a turbo rebuild? i know with the vw version (g60) it would cost about 350.


again hi all and thanks in advance

 

[dave]

welcome i will ask to get this moved to coop section for you

 

[sammiboo]

welcome...

I am sure plenty of guys on here can answer your questions

 

[dark_sounds]

lol cheers i just read in the technical section about the 20vt with a hesitation problem.,,, this might be similar??

also thanks for the walm welcomes, i can assure you the transition from vw to fiat is a hard one,,, lol,,, lets hope i dont get let down

 

[sumplug]

hi. there is a difference between a hesitation and a misfire.
if its hesitating,then besides the ebv,it could be;-
ignition timing[unlikely]
mixture problems
coolant temp sensor
map sensor[they fill up with oil because of location on the inlet manifold]
throttle potentiometor sensor
camshaft sensor
turbo problems
misfire;-
timing
HT leads
spark plugs[one of these was down on one of my coupes causing a high rev misfire]
mixture
TPS
cam sensor
coil
blocked cat
i would not buy this car until the fault has been rectified.good luck

 

[dark_sounds]

thanks for the list.. thanks alot! really helpful stuff...

just to roughly gauge the cost... whats the minimum on fixing them? and whats the max??

the ignitiion leads and spark plugs have been done already... he paid 100 to get it done!!?!?!?

im sure other bits have been done,,, though dont know until i see the history,,, will make it a little check list..

can the be more then one from te list wrong??

 

[sumplug]

thanks for the list.. thanks alot! really helpful stuff...

just to roughly gauge the cost... whats the minimum on fixing them? and whats the max??

the ignitiion leads and spark plugs have been done already... he paid 100 to get it done!!?!?!?

im sure other bits have been done,,, though dont know until i see the history,,, will make it a little check list..

can the be more then one from te list wrong??

to be honest,the cost of repair could be zero[bad connection on a sensor] to £600+ [turbo+ fitment].
i would not touch the car without first the seller rectifying the fault.i would also get it proffesionally checked over by somebody like green flag.money well spent.as part of the check,they would HPI it.personally,if the seller is reluctant to fix the car,walk away.there are plenty of nice cars out there.

 

[dark_sounds]

thanks alot sumplug. cheers for the help. will see it tonight anyway. and take it from there i suppose

 

[pinin__prestatyn]

Hi

What's your budget? the 20V variants are cheap now and offer a better engine, more power, and sleeker dash, brembo's etc. Be wary buying any car that has a fault, no matter how simple the seller says the problem is.
I bought a 16VT from a garage with that had a slight stutter (this wasn't shown on the test drive) and it was in and out of the garage over 4 months, until they got fed up of me phonning 5 times a day, and gave me a refund.
I managed to find a 20VT for the same amount, and haven't looked back.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are plenty of 16VT's out there that are spot on, but I find the 20VT to be the better car.

 

[simonj]

anyone help? anyone recommend a garage in south east london (croydon) area to deal with this??

There is a well-known Coupe specialist just around the corner from you - Torque Italia in Thornton Heath - well known on here and especially on the Coupe forum - top notch work, reasonable prices and really know their stuff. Don't have the contact details on me at the mo, but do a search on Google, they have a website.

Might be worth seeing if they'll check one over for you rather than a Green Flag or RAC inspection - IMO they aren't worth much as they'll only point out the faults on the car that you'llbe able to spot yourself with a bit of research on the Coupe anyway

 

[sumplug]

There is a well-known Coupe specialist just around the corner from you - Torque Italia in Thornton Heath - well known on here and especially on the Coupe forum - top notch work, reasonable prices and really know their stuff. Don't have the contact details on me at the mo, but do a search on Google, they have a website.

Might be worth seeing if they'll check one over for you rather than a Green Flag or RAC inspection - IMO they aren't worth much as they'll only point out the faults on the car that you'llbe able to spot yourself with a bit of research on the Coupe anyway

simon.
to say the green flag or RAC inspection is not worth much is silly.of course its woth much.not only can they tell you the mechanical health,but whether its been accident damaged or any HPI on it.the people who do the inspections are usually top notch.it does though depend how good they are by what company you use.
the 20vt is the better car,but less tunable.they tend these days to be up on miles,but there are cars out there with good mileage and very full history.it might be worth paying slightly more for a peach of one with loads of money spent and obviously worshipped.surely the FCCUK members should be able to tell where a very nice one is available.proberly off a member.

 

[J333EVO]

If you can venture as far as Reading then Keith at Auto integrale does reports on cars and has forgotten more about the 16V engine as found in the integrale and the Coupe than most can ever dream of knowing.

I believe his reports are about £100 if you take the car to him, or £300 if you wish him to travel as this covers lost time at workshop.

last time i was there getting my integrale its annual service Keith had 2 Coupe's in a 16V and a 20V, plus lots of lovely Lancia's and Fiats.

http://www.auto-integrale.co.uk/

Aaron.

 

[hmallett]

I've never used Auto-Interale myself, but they have a good reputaion on the COupe forum.
H

 

[simonj]

simon.
to say the green flag or RAC inspection is not worth much is silly.of course its woth much.not only can they tell you the mechanical health,but whether its been accident damaged or any HPI on it.the people who do the inspections are usually top notch.it does though depend how good they are by what company you use.

You can check whether its been in an accident or has finance outstanding etc. by just getting an HPI check yourself at less cost. IMO, the inspection I had on my Coupe (won't mention the company here) wasn't great value for money especially when I phoned the bloke to get his opinion and he prefaced it with the caveat 'well I don't know a lot about these cars, I've only ever inspected one other'. Which is fair enough as whilst no Maclaren F1, the Coupe isn't the most common car on the road. IMO these inspections are ok for a common car like the Punto, but maybe not so relevant to cars like the Coupe - I'd rather get it checked over by someone who works with them daily which is only natural.

Anyway, I can also vouch for Auto Integrale, I took my Coupe and Puntos there and they always did a top job.

 

[sumplug]

having seen so many coupes with replacement bonnets or awaiting bonnets[they fetch good money do bonnets],then i would want an inspection of any car.who does it,is up to the buyer.but get one done.as well as nice cars,there are some dogs out there dressed up to look great.usually have bling wheels on them to get you to bite.in the last yr,ive seen umpteen dogs on e-bay.dont buy before yoe have seen it.

 

[dark_sounds]

lol cheers for ur replies guys,,, i cant go to the 20vt as i cant insure it... only the 16vt. this guy is very honest,,, hes told me LOADS of problem possibilities... so im not sure,,, hes in west london so reading is a possibility...though thornton heath is much easier... also recommended on the other coupe forum...

cheers guys

 

[rykc_gokart]

Does the red injector warning light comes on at all? If it does then get a specialist to read the error code out of the CPU, it takes out a lot of the guess work. 16vt is a good engine, 20vt may be more powerful, but a healthy 16vt will give 20vt a serious run for its money.

 

[sumplug]

lol cheers for ur replies guys,,, i cant go to the 20vt as i cant insure it... only the 16vt. this guy is very honest,,, hes told me LOADS of problem possibilities... so im not sure,,, hes in west london so reading is a possibility...though thornton heath is much easier... also recommended on the other coupe forum...

cheers guys

dont be taken in by his friendliness. he's only trying to sell his car at the end of the day. he may come over as the nicest bloke in the world,but its all a front to off load his car.make him work for the sale.tell him you will have it on condition that its inspected by a coupe specialist and rectified before sale. dont hand any money over before hand. its a private sale i presume, so he's told you of the misfire. if that engine goes bang down the road, you have zero come back.