F1 Results

[imported_richard33dees]

Today marked the first race of the 2011 F1 GP season in Australia, here are the results,


POS DRIVER CAR TEAM RACE TIME POINTS
1 Sebastian Vettel 1 Red Bull-Renault 1:29:30.259 25
2 Lewis Hamilton 3 McLaren-Mercedes +00:22.297 18
3 Vitaly Petrov 10 Renault +00:30.560 15
4 Fernando Alonso 5 Ferrari +00:31.772 12
5 Mark Webber 2 Red Bull-Renault +00:38.171 10
6 Jenson Button 4 McLaren-Mercedes +00:54.304 8
7 Sergio Perez 17 Sauber +01:05.845 6
8 Kamui Kobayashi 16 Sauber +01:16.872 4
9 Felipe Massa 6 Ferrari +01:25.186 2
10 Sebastien Buemi 18 Toro Rosso-Ferrari lapped 1
11 Adrian Sutil 14 Force India-Mercedes lapped
12 Paul Di Resta 15 Force India-Mercedes lapped
13 Jaime Alguersuari 19 Toro Rosso-Ferrari lapped
14 Nick Heidfeld 9 Renault lapped
15 Jarno Trulli 21 Lotus-Renault lapped
16 Jerome d'Ambrosio 25 Virgin-Cosworth lapped
17 Timo Glock 24 Virgin-Cosworth retired, 49 laps
18 Rubens Barrichello 11 Williams-Cosworth retired, 48 laps
19 Nico Rosberg 8 Mercedes GP retired, 22 laps
20 Heikki Kovalainen 20 Lotus-Renault retired, 19 laps
21 Michael Schumacher 7 Mercedes GP retired, 19 laps
22 Pastor Maldonado 12 Williams-Cosworth retired, 9 laps

 

[muppet42]

It wasn't a classic, certainly nowhere near the 2010 race in terms of action.

I'll sum it up in vaguely the same way I just did on FB though - Vettel bored me as per, McLaren's look promising, Massa = lol, some of the new guys seem to be really decent for once, Petrov was brilliant - far better than the overrated (in my opinion) Heidfeld over the weekend and DC was a great co-commentator, a million miles better than Leg-end in every way.

Can't wait for Malaysia, I'm even off on the Sunday so can watch it live

 

[mrcinquecento]

the moveable rear wing is pointless

it can only be activated in an area in the race where slipstreaming is possible......ermmmmm

slipstreaming already reduces drag because you're following a car thats already punched a hole in the air, meaning you have reduced downforce already and the rear wing moving has little or nothing to difuse at that point, basicly, the only advantadge is when you are already alongside the car...which relies on you being fast enough to pass without the wing moving anyway

they really didnt think it through, did they? :laugh:

 

[muppet42]

the moveable rear wing is pointless

it can only be activated in an area in the race where slipstreaming is possible......ermmmmm

slipstreaming already reduces drag because you're following a car thats already punched a hole in the air, meaning you have reduced downforce already and the rear wing moving has little or nothing to difuse at that point, basicly, the only advantadge is when you are already alongside the car...which relies on you being fast enough to pass without the wing moving anyway

they really didnt think it through, did they? :laugh:

Can see you're point, but I think it's to do with when they pull out of the tow behind the other car as well as perhaps being more efficient behind it - any reduction in aero drag would make the car faster even if it's in the tow surely. Before, they'd pull out and the wake of the car in front would add to the air the aero had to get through already. At least with the slit in the rear wing, this drag's reduced. I think that's meant to be it, though could be wrong - it's been known :laugh:

KERS though, I'm not so sure. I can see the reasoning and the green point of it but it's still poorly implemented and a massive cost for the teams. Plus the issues it causes with added weight (not as bad as '09 but still) and the braking issues it causes don't seem to be worth much over the lap. Think it was .2 of a second compared to the supposed .6 the DRS. Considering how cheap and environmentally friendly a simple rear wing is (well, if aero can be cheap), it seems a bit much to bring it back with out far more development or a clearer implementation.

Personally, I say take away all the buttons from the steering wheel, bring back fully manual gearboxes/refuelling and increase tyre wear further. Oh and get some better overtaking points on a circuit perhaps by not employing Tilka to design everything(!) Pointless addition, but would make it more entertaining (probably more costly though) - bring back the v10s and v12s too please

 

[imported_richard33dees]

Sadly due to some IMO gay ruling by the stewards, Sauber have been disqualified for a technicality on there rear wing. Exactly what, to my knowledge hasn't been divulged, but the regulations stated give very small and accurate dimensions about where things go and what is and isn't allowed. Sauber, naturally are appealing as the minimum amount of wing that may/may not be outwith the specified area has been proven to offer no advantage to the car.


POS DRIVER CAR TEAM RACE TIME POINTS
1 Sebastian Vettel 1 Red Bull-Renault 1:29:30.259 25
2 Lewis Hamilton 3 McLaren-Mercedes +00:22.297 18
3 Vitaly Petrov 10 Renault +00:30.560 15
4 Fernando Alonso 5 Ferrari +00:31.772 12
5 Mark Webber 2 Red Bull-Renault +00:38.171 10
6 Jenson Button 4 McLaren-Mercedes +00:54.304 8
7 Felipe Massa 6 Ferrari +01:25.186 6
8 Sebastien Buemi 18 Toro Rosso-Ferrari lapped 4
9 Adrian Sutil 14 Force India-Mercedes lapped 2
10 Paul Di Resta 15 Force India-Mercedes lapped 1
11 Jaime Alguersuari 19 Toro Rosso-Ferrari lapped
12 Nick Heidfeld 9 Renault lapped
13 Jarno Trulli 21 Lotus-Renault lapped
14 Jerome d'Ambrosio 25 Virgin-Cosworth lapped
15 Timo Glock 24 Virgin-Cosworth retired, 49 laps
16 Rubens Barrichello 11 Williams-Cosworth retired, 48 laps
17 Nico Rosberg 8 Mercedes GP retired, 22 laps
18 Heikki Kovalainen 20 Lotus-Renault retired, 19 laps
19 Michael Schumacher 7 Mercedes GP retired, 19 laps
20 Pastor Maldonado 12 Williams-Cosworth retired, 9 laps
DSQ Sergio Perez 17 Sauber +01:05.845
DSQ Kamui Kobayashi 16 Sauber +01:16.872

This disqualification also means that Scotsman Paul Di Resta driving the Force India-Mercedes scores his first point in his début F1 race.

 

[muppet42]

Don't think Di Resta would've wanted the point in that way and I think it puts a bit of a damper on the whole weekend's racing. It's yet another F1 ruling that's flying in the face of what is of course a good result for a struggling team (though Peter Sauber is rather well off) and a good story in general of a new boy doing well in his first race alongside an increasingly entertaining team mate.

Ah well, there's still the appeal I guess. But then, how many times has that worked in the past...?

 

[imported_richard33dees]

Yeah DC, EJ an that Humpery gadgy were surmising what Sauber could have got so right to be able to compete with the big boys so soon in the season. As the rules are taking about less than 20mm then ad go along with the thought that it wouldn't make a difference to the overall performance of the car. Here's hoping they get the decision over turned an reinstated to there rightful place.

 

[gengis]

Bit of a snoozeville Arizona for me I'm affraid (engineering interesting - racing dull) Watched WSB at Donnington..much better!

 

[Andi9386]

Bit of a snoozeville Arizona for me I'm affraid (engineering interesting - racing dull) Watched WSB at Donnington..much better!

WSB now there's a sport to watch.
As for the F1 I gave up on it few years ago.

 

[imported_richard33dees]

Following the second race of the 2011 F1 GP season in Malaysia, here are the results,


POS DRIVER TEAM POINTS
1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 25
2 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 18
3 Nick Heidfeld Renault 15
4 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 12
5 Felipe Massa Ferrari 10
6 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 8
7 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 6
8 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 4
9 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 2
10 Paul Di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1
11 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes
12 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP
13 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari
14 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari
15 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault
16 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth
17 Vitaly Petrov Renault
18 Vitantonio Liuzzi Hispania-Cosworth
19 Jerome d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth
20 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault
21 Sergio Perez Sauber
22 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth
23 Narain Karthikeyan Hispania-Cosworth
24 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth

Quite enjoyed watching todays race, Alonso being a tit took the wing off the front hitting Hamiltons car near the end causing him to pit for a new nose cone. Never heard much of Massa so obviously drove an uneventful race.

An observation made tho, what a waste those tyres are, one compound does 8-10 laps and in some camera views all you can see are big chunks of rubber strewn across the track.

 

[muppet42]

Beyond what I've said on the front page story, I have to say I'm getting rather disappointed with Williams.

They seem to just under perform every season and so far that's seemingly the default. Rubens needs to be in a top team and Williams just aren't delivering. I'm not sure if that's down to Cosworth or some technical/aero issue but it needs to be sorted. Maldonado's a bit of a waste of space really. Taking wrong lines here and there, crashing into the pitlane (though DC did that in Williams too). He's there for the money he brings, so fair enough but it doesn't seem to be helping the team

 

[mrcinquecento]

Beyond what I've said on the front page story, I have to say I'm getting rather disappointed with Williams.

They seem to just under perform every season and so far that's seemingly the default. Rubens needs to be in a top team and Williams just aren't delivering. I'm not sure if that's down to Cosworth or some technical/aero issue but it needs to be sorted. Maldonado's a bit of a waste of space really. Taking wrong lines here and there, crashing into the pitlane (though DC did that in Williams too). He's there for the money he brings, so fair enough but it doesn't seem to be helping the team

sadest thing of all is a truly talented driver in Niko Hulkenberg was denied a race seat because of maldonados money

 

[muppet42]

sadest thing of all is a truly talented driver in Niko Hulkenberg was denied a race seat because of maldonados money

Indeed. Plus without season long testing, they tend to become somewhat rusty when they do come back into F1. Pedro De La Rosa was a prime example of a great test driver but fairly mediocre race driver.

Seriously don't understand F1 sometimes and I think Williams are going to pay for it during the season no matter how good a driver Rubens can be. They've been on the cusp a few years, especially when they had BMW power, of getting back into their Renault/Honda heyday, but I'm thinking more and more that they don't seem to be able to get anywhere near that any more

 

[muppet42]

sadest thing of all is a truly talented driver in Niko Hulkenberg was denied a race seat because of maldonados money

Indeed. Plus without season long testing, they tend to become somewhat rusty when they do come back into F1. Pedro De La Rosa was a prime example of a great test driver but fairly mediocre race driver.

Seriously don't understand F1 sometimes and I think Williams are going to pay for it during the season no matter how good a driver Rubens can be. They've been on the cusp a few years, especially when they had BMW power, of getting back into their Renault/Honda heyday, but I'm thinking more and more that they don't seem to be able to get anywhere near that any more

 

[imported_richard33dees]

GP03 - China 17th April 2011

POS DRIVER TEAM POINTS
1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 25
2 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 18
3 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 15
4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes
5 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP
6 Felipe Massa Ferrari
7 Fernando Alonso Ferrari
8 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP
9 Vitaly Petrov Renault
10 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber
11 Paul Di Resta Force India-Mercedes
12 Nick Heidfeld Renault
13 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth
14 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari
15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes
16 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault
17 Sergio Perez Sauber
18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth
19 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault
20 Jerome d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth
21 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth
22 Vitantonio Liuzzi Hispania-Cosworth
23 Narain Karthikeyan Hispania-Cosworth
24 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari

 

[imported_richard33dees]

GP04 - Turkey 8th May 2011

POS DRIVER TEAM POINTS
1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault
3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari
4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
5 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP
6 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes
7 Nick Heidfeld Renault
8 Vitaly Petrov Renault
9 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari
10 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber
11 Felipe Massa Ferrari
12 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP
13 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes
14 Sergio Perez Sauber
15 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth
16 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari
17 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth
18 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault
19 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault
20 Jerome d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth
21 Narain Karthikeyan Hispania-Cosworth
22 Vitantonio Liuzzi Hispania-Cosworth
23 Paul Di Resta Force India-Mercedes
24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth

Quite an interesting race today, M Schumacher was up to his old tricks and cost him many places through damaging his car. Kamui Kobayashi driving one of the Sauber's certainly deserves some recognition having started from the back of the grid and managing to work his way up to 10th position without one of he most competitive cars on the track.
Ferrari's luck changed a little, Alonso seems to be making ground on the red bull cars but I think due to strategies used for Massa didn't favour him. So Alonso managed to land on the podium in 3rd position, hopefully the car and drivers will be more competitive for the Spanish GP.

 

[imported_richard33dees]

Thought I'd add the Drivers Championship

1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 93
2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 59
3 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 55
4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 46
5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 41
6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 24
7 Nick Heidfeld Renault 21
8 Vitaly Petrov Renault 21
9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 20
10 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 8
11 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 6
12 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 6
13 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 2
14 Paul Di Resta Force India-Mercedes 2

Seb Vettel already has a commanding lead of the Drivers Championship.

 

[muppet42]

Hopefully Seb Vet won't be flicking the number one finger for too many more races - hoping at least one of the the chasing teams can overhaul the Red Bulls if Mark Webber can't get past him.

Was a decent enough race apart from that though. Nice number of overtakes and the battle between the two McLaren guys was first class. Just wish the pit stop issues hadn't become as much of an issue as they did. Obviously they play a deciding factor in a race, but always annoys me when it's something simple like a wheel not going on properly. Well, unless it's Mr Schui of course :laugh:

 

[ABZSTILO]

Had a chat with a chum who is a big-time F1 fan on the 'phone after the last race.
We reckon there was more over taking in the last GP than in the entire season of '99 :cheesy:

It was a good race to watch, but hopefully a salient reminder for some teams that no matter how gentle a driver is on their tyres the new Pirelli tyres don't do any favours for long stint strategies. Nice to see the Ferraris mixing it again but, for me, of particular interest was the extra pace Lotus are starting to get out of their car compared to the other 'tail enders', if they can keep it up then they'll be in Q2 before long.
This would be good IMHO as Heikki is a damn good driver.

It was particularly enjoying to see Schumi getting overtaken by plenty of folk, sometimes a legend should stay retired.

H

 

[mrcinquecento]

This would be good IMHO as Heikki is a damn good driver.

in lower formula, yes, but he has done the square route of hee haw in F1, even given one of the front running cars (only to sooth Hamilton after Alonso gate, because he and heikki got on relly well) he was absolutely humiliated by his team mate Hamilton and managed to drive a car fighting for the championship regularly amongst midfield runners and a good 6 tenths off every other front runner. it's no coincidence he ended up at a tail end team after McLaren rather than a midfield side