Technical Exhaust conundrum

[eddyweird]

Hi all, I own a 2011 1.2 69hp active and looking to replace the mid section and rear exhaust box.
Like most things when googled I have found it a complete minefield with all the different information surrounding this year.
I'm still confused hence the questions to the more knowledgeable members, that's most of you.

1. Is this year different from e.g an 09 1.2 60hp both for the mid and rear exhaust as I have seen sellers quoting there is a difference and some not?
2. Is mid and rear exhaust sections the same for the early fiat 500 or the even the ford Ka as I have seen the oem numbers quoted for these models?

At the moment I am thinking buy from a motor factors as you can take it back, the internet offers best prices but get it wrong and the returns are a pain, we have all been there.

Advice and thoughts please.

 

[koalar]

The short answer is I don't know if an earlier exhaust fits


Euro 5 engines mid section had a different parts number and that's the same as some 500 but not all, be carful here later cars have a different flange on the manifold


The rear rear back box is common for a lot of the Fiat range


Can you fit an earlier exhaust, probably, I don't know until someone tries it,

 

[jrkitching]

I have a 60HP Panda and a 69HP 500, both from 2010.

The exhausts look similar but are in fact completely different; the 500 uses slightly larger diameter tubing throughout, so none of the pipes, silencers, brackets or clamps are interchangeable.

I'd be surprised if any of the exhaust components for the 60HP Panda (up to mid 2010) are usable on a 69HP Panda.

It's possible that 500/Ka parts might fit.

 

[koalar]

Bosal catalogue shows a different cat and mid but same back for the 60 and 69hp


They wouldn't produce two unless it was needed

 

[eddyweird]

Good reference Koalar. Note how the exhaust clamps on Sys01714 are the same either end but differ on sys
13554?
Probably different pipe diameters as mentioned in jrk reply.

 

[jrkitching]

Note how the exhaust clamps on Sys01714 are the same either end but differ on sys
13554

Most aftermarket systems use standard U clamps to join the sections. You can buy them in Halfords for a couple of pounds.

OEM exhausts have the clamp integral with the sections, but by the time the need to replace comes around, they're usually so rusty there's little left of them. By then it's not an issue since the sections will have corroded together and won't be separating even without the clamps. Some MOT testers can be pedantic, so some may choose to put a standard U clamp on if this happens and the system is otherwise sound,

The front bracket which attaches at the bellhousing is critical; if this rusts away, the weight of the exhaust hanging on the manicat can crack it at the manifold; that's both expensive and awkward to fix, so keep an eye on this fitting and replace if it looks weakened. They're readily available and fit quite a few Fiats & Alfa's, though annoyingly not the 60HP Panda (it's that smaller diameter pipe again).

When I did mine the 60HP version of this bracket was unobtainable in the UK, so I had no choice but to modify and shim out the 69HP version.

Another thing to bear in mind is that on an older vehicle, the exhaust you're replacing may not be the original and may not even be the right one for the car!

 

[irc]

Did anyone ever find a part number for the 60hp support clamp?
I found 51816520 for the 69hp, but the only parts diagrams I have for 60hp Pandas show this as an integral part of the front pipe.
Some do show it as integral for the 69hp too, so maybe there's a number out there somewhere.

 

[The Panda Nut]

I bought a system from Ebay for our 2011 69HP car last year. They listed same system for the 60 and 69. They are different however. For certain, the front pipe is a larger diameter on the 69hp car. The supplied system did not fit. I was lucky a local firm stretched the end so it would fit but this was not a perfect solution. I had to use two clamps to get it to hold so I think the system will not last as long as it should. I think from memory the 69 had a 54mm clamp and the system used a 48mm pipe. My advice is check the size of your front pipe before ordering. Although once adjusted it all worked, I felt we lost some power from having the smaller pipe. I suggest you google and then contact OnlineAautomotive (Northampton I think) they seem to be helpful and knowledegable. They managed to find me a Panda 100 exhaust a few years back when noone else did them. Their prices seem fair.