Technical Difference in FIRE engines how to tell which?

[serin]

If your breaking the engines, could I have the head off the 55, as the Head gasket has gone on my Cinq, and it would be easier then getting my head skimmed.

 

[col7104]

If it's a 1242 block with an 8v MPI head, it should be a 75, if it's from a Mk1 Punto. Although this would mean it should have the 866 cam in. I'm 50/50 on whether the Mk1 Punto 75 had a cam sensor too, but don't hold me to that.

Maybe the Mk2 Puntos had MPI with the 4x4 cam and cam sensor? I haven't seen an engine bay from a Mk2 Punto. I think the Panda uses that setup.

Best off asking the Punto lot I think.

 

[cc1]

As far as i'm aware, Only the engines from the later puntos had cam sensor and ran with the MF59 M1/M2 ECU mounted on the throttle body and had the plastic intake manifold. This is the same setup as used on the 1100 MPI Seicento Euro3 spec, (Some Seicentos had a different ECU), so the heads off both the 1242 engines will fit on an 1100 MPI Seicento.

I think Fiat decided that one head would fit two engines 1.1/1.2. It also decided that one bottom end would be used on both the 8v and 16v 1242.

Keeps production alot simpler and cheaper??

 

[col7104]

Any FIRE head can be used on any FIRE block, pretty nifty huh

 

[cc1]

You might have a problem fitting the 16v on the 1100 due to valve clearances to cylinder walls, but I bet it would fit with custom pistons.
MMmm? I feel a spare 1.1 Mpi engine urge comming on.

 

[col7104]

16v are called super-FIRE

I'm intending on doing a bit of mix 'n matching in future as it happens, I'll update closer to the time.

 

[Oldschool]

The 188 1.2 8v engines are MPI. The 188 has got the threads for the engine mount in the head rather than the block.

Thats the puppy. Theres a hole next to the filler cap over the pulley there, thought its an odd place for a knock sensor.




Yea I tried, I can make out the 000 on all of them (thats helpful). Ive tried degreaser. I got bored and had another bash with some nitromorz and the the gasket scraper.

engine number 3 looks like 18* A4.000
which looks like it could be 188, 1242 from a panda,punto 60 or a PALIO I guess its a late 60 then, and the gut lied about them being mpi.

The other one is very shallow stamped, I can make out a A ish

 

[Oldschool]

You might have a problem fitting the 16v on the 1100 due to valve clearances to cylinder walls, but I bet it would fit with custom pistons.
MMmm? I feel a spare 1.1 Mpi engine urge comming on.

Also need to change oil pump housing.