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Of course, you not seen armed officers in plain clothes, but only wearing a Police cap. Usually seen on the Reality TV shows, when they swoop on a suspect.
Confused by this country sometimes?
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Buggar. Scary stuff. But equally he must have been doing something dodgy for them to hav survalance on his housesurly
True, but basically the ones that shoot him wee wearing uniform, so he shouldn't have run
The first uniformed officer he would have seen was the first firearm officer who entered the tube train. He didn't run, but stood up. Then a surveliance officer pushed him into his seat, held him down and then he was shot by two firearms officers.
Buggar. Scary stuff. But equally he must have been doing something dodgy for them to hav survalance on his housesurly
He lived in the same block of flats as a suspect, and wasn't white or black.
Pretty dodgy eh?
Have a look at this. Seems you need a bit of background.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7073125.stm
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That BBC diagram was very useful.
If what took place was effectively an impromptu execution, then yes, I agree that people do need to pay for what they did. But then you have the whole arguement of were orders give to do this? Did the fire arms officers over react? Are any of the accounts accurate? Etc, etc.
Even if this was the case, I still don't see how an "in memory of" plaque helps.
If what took place was effectively an impromptu execution, then yes, I agree that people do need to pay for what they did. But then you have the whole arguement of were orders give to do this? Did the fire arms officers over react? Are any of the accounts accurate? Etc, etc.
Even if this was the case, I still don't see how an "in memory of" plaque helps.
Maybe it alleviates some of the guilt felt by the people who made the wrong call on this guy, like some kind of ongoing apology.
Whether he was in this country illegally or not, I personally don't think he deserved to have his face blown to pieces. He got the ultimate punishment for doing, in the grand scheme of things, nothing wrong. You wouldn't expect to have your dick chopped off if you got caught with a bald tyre, so being somewhere you shouldn't be doesn't mean you deserve to be killed.
This guy was wrongly killed at close range by some ill-informed officers, and a mother and father lost their son. I personally don't mind an "in memory of" plaque. It doesn't make my life any harder to cope with, but it might just make his family's lives a little easier.
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Will be forgotton about in a week or two anyway.
That is very true. Good point.
A number of posters seem to suggest that because his papers may have been a bit out of order, and he was foreign, then it doesn't really matter too much that he was shot; and even that he should have known what plain clothes policemen wear and that this ignorance added to his culpability? Really! Any suggestion at all that he may in even the smallest way have been responsible for his own murder is tantamount to excusing what happened.
The police acted like moronic thugs and murdered an innocent man. They tried to cover it up, and failed. They were guilty as sin, and they knew it.
The police acted like moronic thugs and murdered an innocent man. They tried to cover it up, and failed. They were guilty as sin, and they knew it.
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The thing I can't get my head around is that the officer in charge - has got an award in the New Year's Honours!
I'm sure murder of an innocent man during an operation under your direct control should be on the list of reasons not to get a honour!
I'm sure murder of an innocent man during an operation under your direct control should be on the list of reasons not to get a honour!
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But this was years ago now so how do you know that last year he didnt do lots of stuff to warrent one?
Because SHE should be in jail now for culperable manslaughter or murder.
If a worker dies on a building site and it's proven that the company could have avoided the death - the owner/director can be done for manslaughter. In this case she had direct authority and did nothing to stop the inevitable happening.
If a worker dies on a building site and it's proven that the company could have avoided the death - the owner/director can be done for manslaughter. In this case she had direct authority and did nothing to stop the inevitable happening.
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If she was told its a terrorist whats she meant to do?
Surely if it was inevitable then it can't be stopped? :devil:
Her job?
She had a whole team of people - any one of them could have stopped him and asked him if he had a light, or the time.. then they could have made a positive ident.
At one point she was even told "it's not osman" but rather than taking control she asks "why's he still being followed?" - that would be because you've not told your officers to stop following him love.
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Ah well the world isnt fair is it, hes dead, shes getting awards life goes on (unless your him of course). Go make a complaint for all the good it will do if you feel so strongly about the issue.
The sooner the better I say, the thing people have against someone shot to death is rather discouraging.
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It's actually both quite worrying and funny how many people have interpreted this as a solely race/immigration issue. That is just one thing in a melee of issues with this.
My query related purely to the fact that I don't understand why there's a memorial. What of the other innocent people shot by the police? The other innocent people hit by police cars at high speed? Do these each get memorials as well? Having worked with someone who was killed by a police car in the early hours of the morning, which was travelling at a speed the coroner suggested was absurd, I can very definitely tell you that they don't.
Was the police officer who was driving that car, with no sirens/lights going, ever brought to justice either? No. Were the family given the comfort of a plaque? No. Did the police pay for his family to hold some sort of funeral? No.
My query related purely to the fact that I don't understand why there's a memorial. What of the other innocent people shot by the police? The other innocent people hit by police cars at high speed? Do these each get memorials as well? Having worked with someone who was killed by a police car in the early hours of the morning, which was travelling at a speed the coroner suggested was absurd, I can very definitely tell you that they don't.
Was the police officer who was driving that car, with no sirens/lights going, ever brought to justice either? No. Were the family given the comfort of a plaque? No. Did the police pay for his family to hold some sort of funeral? No.
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No you cant. You can definately tell us about the person you knew but for anyone else you cant as you dont have a clue about it. They may have had plaques etc but nothing has been made out of it. That doesnt mean that it hasnt happened.
It's great to have a memorial, it shows us what will happen if we let paranoia and panic get the better of us and then give the police too greater powers "to protect us" without proper controls in place. reactionary policys aren't going to solve anything, and more deaths will result.
