Technical Code readers,Diagnostic testers

[Sweetsixteen]

Or you could invest in the iCarsoft FT2.

This is a standalone scanner especially for Fiats and Alfas, although it will read generic codes for many other cars.

It will diagnose and clear faults on engine, transmission, airbags, ecu, abs. It will give data streaming and live info ( such as live readings while driving on wheel sensor performance, etc).

No cables or laptop or multiplexer needed. Just plug straight in to your obd port, and begin diagnosis. Keep it in the glove box.

I have one for my Mercedes and it is second only to the main dealer Star programme. Updates are free by internet from the makers.

Depends how much you want to pay, how deep you need to diagnose, and whether you want to carry it in your car (faults do not only occur on your driveway!)

Remember that many fancy looking scanners only cover engines, nothing else.

 

[g8rpi]

Yes

http://www.multiecuscan.net/SupportedVehiclesList.aspx

The interface is KL in a blue box. Shows you which models are supported

This is NOT the correct interface for a post 2003 Panda.
While a KL interface (which the linked one is) will read basic data, it won't do service reset or connect to any CAN modules. You need an ELM327 plus Adaptors 1 (green) and 2 (red) for full functionality. Ebay item http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271275445368 for just the adaptor or http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201357279123 for kit with leads.
I've bought from both sellers.

Robert G8RPI.

 

[g8rpi]

The ELM type do not connect to the airbag or steering modules. Although it does connect to the dash module

Free version is fully working for engine and airbag. Logging as been limited to a few minuets and number of channels. Not a problem in normal use.

Hi,
You cannot make blanket statements like this. The interface required depends on the model, engine type and year of car. Very few Fiat cars post 2003 NEED a KL interface. An ELM 327 includes a smart standard KL interface as well as CAN. The only time you nust have a KL is some older modules that have a non standard interface simlar to KL that need a dumb KL interface and special (MES) software. A KL interface still needs adaptor leads for some modules.
The OP @gerry norris
has a 2009 Panda. A ELM 327 interface plus red and green adaptor leads will access every module with MES. The interfaces with a switch are more applicable to 500s and Puntos as they simulate a Yellow adaptor lead. This is no advantage for a 2009 Panda.

Robert G8RPI.

 

[koalar]

Hi,
You cannot make blanket statements like this. The interface required depends on the model, engine type and year of car. Very few Fiat cars post 2003 NEED a KL interface. An ELM 327 includes a smart standard KL interface as well as CAN. The only time you nust have a KL is some older modules that have a non standard interface simlar to KL that need a dumb KL interface and special (MES) software. A KL interface still needs adaptor leads for some modules.
The OP @gerry norris
has a 2009 Panda. A ELM 327 interface plus red and green adaptor leads will access every module with MES. The interfaces with a switch are more applicable to 500s and Puntos as they simulate a Yellow adaptor lead. This is no advantage for a 2009 Panda.

Robert G8RPI.

Connected to mine 05 work also on girlfriends 06

No happy. Cold outside. Restored windows recently so had to reinstall Multiecusan but no bid deal

Yes the battery is bad its been like that for 18 months or more. Car not been switched on for 10 days or so.


All I have it the blue switched cable which was around £12 at the time.

 

[g8rpi]

I'm not saying that a KL only interface (typically blue) won't work at all (still don't know exactly what cars you have), just the it's not an appropriate choice for newer cars which use CAN bus interfaces. The ELM 327 interface has BOTH KL and CAN. Only old design modules and cars with "3 pin" OBD have to use a KL only interface.

Robert G8RPI.

 

[koalar]

I'm not saying that a KL only interface (typically blue) won't work at all (still don't know exactly what cars you have), just the it's not an appropriate choice for newer cars which use CAN bus interfaces. The ELM 327 interface has BOTH KL and CAN. Only old design modules and cars with "3 pin" OBD have to use a KL only interface.

Robert G8RPI.

05 dynamic 1.2
06 active 1.1

 

[chris3234]

TRW Airbag MY99 |INFO|DTC|PRM|ACT| KL A2


Doesn't connect to the airbag whereas the KL does
Guess it depends on your car

Does connect to the dash. But the KL will not.


For every module you would need both. However in the last few years nobody has need to connect to the dash except if they were upgrading it.

I have used the cable to fix an airbag tho/QUOTE]


Not according to this unless I'm reading wrong
E

 

[koalar]

TRW Airbag MY99 |INFO|DTC|PRM|ACT| KL A2


Doesn't connect to the airbag whereas the KL does
Guess it depends on your car

Does connect to the dash. But the KL will not.


For every module you would need both. However in the last few years nobody has need to connect to the dash except if they were upgrading it.

I have used the cable to fix an airbag tho/QUOTE]


Not according to this unless I'm reading wrong
E

Look at the Fiat
Panda '03
1.3 JTD/Multijet

Not the 500


I don't know what more I can say. I have reinstalled multiecuscan then gone to my car with the same cable as I linked to earlier and connected to the engine module then moved the switch and connected to the airbag module. Then taken some photos as you can see it close to freezing here today.


As I have a full version I could have connected to the steering module also but that's not relevant here.

 

[llamallama]

U shouldn't have to buy all cables
There's only one OBD2 plug which allows u to access most or all the modules of ur car

I think OBD2 ports are on all cars after 1996 iirc,
My launch scanner in the pics on page one was fairly cheap but when u register your connector on the corresponding website, i was offered two free subscriptions
At the time i chose Opel and Holden, this was about 3yrs ago, not sure if it has changed since,

Currently each brand/subscription is US$40 or theres a 5 and 10 pack for very slightly less altogher,

Anyway so 2 free ones a $40 per each after
I think not too bad price wise, scanner was 50au off ebay i think
Search for EasyDiag

Gtg bbl

 

[g8rpi]

U shouldn't have to buy all cables
There's only one OBD2 plug which allows u to access most or all the modules of ur car

I think OBD2 ports are on all cars after 1996 iirc,
My launch scanner in the pics on page one was fairly cheap but when u register your connector on the corresponding website, i was offered two free subscriptions
At the time i chose Opel and Holden, this was about 3yrs ago, not sure if it has changed since,

Currently each brand/subscription is US$40 or theres a 5 and 10 pack for very slightly less altogher,

Anyway so 2 free ones a $40 per each after
I think not too bad price wise, scanner was 50au off ebay i think
Search for EasyDiag

Gtg bbl

You and @koalar are missing an important point, the OBDII / EOBD standard ONLY APPLIES TO BASIC INFORMATION. A basic KL or CAN reader will access these. Fiat and most other manufacturers provide extended features that can only be accessed by brand/model specific readers, a multiplexed/switched interface or adaptor leads. To access all features of all modules on a post 03 Panda with MES you need a ELM 327 module with adaptor leads 1 and two (or the more expensive multiplexed interface). For other models see the vehicle compatibility list on the MES website. Arguing "XYZ works for me" vdoes not mean you have FULL coverage. A KL interface on a newer Fiat is very limited in it's capability.


Robert G8RPI.


Robert G8RPI

 

[llamallama]

Fair enough

 

[varesecrazy]

gerry norris

If you look at the list and find your vehicle it tells you which cable you need to do each job.

http://www.multiecuscan.net/SupportedVehiclesList.aspx

Local DEMO's are available....
Charlie . Didcot

 

[g8rpi]

Local DEMO's are available....
Charlie . Didcot

Ditto for Cambridge area. I'm more than happy to Demo MES or do diagnostics for local forum members.


Robert G8RPI.

 

[gerry norris]

Just aquired the Elm327 with the switch on top and a demo user disc.hope to take up The offer to go to Didcot in New year for a demo? I have the free mes download is worth plugging in to car to get an idea of the system or is that not a good idea?

 

[Zeewulf]

Just aquired the Elm327 with the switch on top and a demo user disc.hope to take up The offer to go to Didcot in New year for a demo? I have the free mes download is worth plugging in to car to get an idea of the system or is that not a good idea?

You can run the software in demo mode to see what it can do WITHOUT having to plug it into the car, as the software simulates a connection. So you can mess about with virtual settings to your hearts content knowing it isn't going to effect your car at all.

 

[gerry norris]

Thanks for that zeewulf, do you think I might have to buy more cables?

 

[g8rpi]

Thanks for that zeewulf, do you think I might have to buy more cables?

Can you provide a link to the exact interface you purchased? I've not seen many switched ELM 327 interfaces for Fiat, but ones I have simulate the Number 3 (yellow) lead. The No.3 is not used on the Panda as far as I know. For most Pandas you need the No1 (Green) for ABS and power steering avanced functions and No2 (Red) for the airbag advanced functions. Everything else is covered by the basic unswitched ELM 327 interface. Note that you should NOT plug adaptor 1 into 500's, Puntos, Bravos etc as it can cause damage. Only use it when MES tells you to.

Robert G8RPI.

 

[gerry norris]

Sent you a reply to e-mail, but just to be sure it is from carbitssouthwales.Ebay no 201378973220 in blue with switch on top numbers on top read 7 3 1/9 12/13 letters are vagKKl+fiatecuscan.
Regards
Gerry

 

[g8rpi]

Sent you a reply to e-mail, but just to be sure it is from carbitssouthwales.Ebay no 201378973220 in blue with switch on top numbers on top read 7 3 1/9 12/13 letters are vagKKl+fiatecuscan.
Regards
Gerry

Hi,
I've not got a PM from you, not sure why not.
The interface you purchased is a KL, NOT an ELM 327.:bang: It will work and you don't need extra cables for it.
However as it does not have a CAN interface you cannot do a service reset, Proxi-Alignment, connect to the body computer, Nav, instrument cluster or climate control.

Robert G8RPI.

 

[g8rpi]

Hi,
Edited extract from MES compatability list http://www.multiecuscan.net/SupportedVehiclesList.aspx

You can connect to the following modules with the unregistered MES (15 minute limit) and the KL interface you purchased:

Marelli 6F3 EOBD Diesel Injection (1.3) |INFO|DTC|DTC EX|PRM|ACT|ADJ| KLELM
Marelli 6JF EOBD Diesel Injection (1.3) |INFO|DTC|DTC EX|PRM|ACT|ADJ| KLELM
Bosch ABS 8 |INFO|DTC|DTC EX|PRM|ACT|ADJ| KLELM A1
Bosch ABS 8 ASR |INFO|DTC|DTC EX|PRM|ACT|ADJ| KLELM A1
Bosch ABS 8 VDC |INFO|DTC|DTC EX|PRM|ACT|ADJ| KLELM A1
TRW Airbag MY99 |INFO|DTC|PRM|ACT| KL A2

You need to register €50 fee to connect to
Marelli 8DF CF5/EOBD Diesel Injection (1.3) |INFO|DTC|DTC EX|PRM|ACT|ADJ| KLELM
Delphi Electric Steering |INFO|DTC|PRM|ADJ| KLELM A1

You cannot connect to
TRW Airbag 2 (Ep - PROXI) |INFO|DTC|DTC EX|PRM|ACT| ELM
Service Interval Reset (Base) |INFO|ADJ| ELM
Service Interval Reset (Base) |INFO|ADJ| ELM
Service Interval Reset (Comfort) |INFO|ADJ| ELM
Service Interval Reset (Comfort) |INFO|ADJ| ELM
Connect (NAV) Marelli |INFO|DTC|PRM|ACT|ADJ| ELM
Instrument Panel Marelli (Base) |INFO|DTC|PRM|ACT|ADJ| ELM
Instrument Panel Marelli (Comfort) |INFO|DTC|PRM|ACT|ADJ| ELM
Body Computer Siemens |INFO|DTC|PRM|ACT|ADJ| ELM
CAN Info |INFO| ELM
CAN Info |INFO| ELM
CAN Setup / PROXI Alignment Procedure |INFO|ADJ| ELM
CAN Setup / PROXI Alignment Procedure |INFO|ADJ| ELM
Denso climate control (Single zone) |INFO|DTC|DTC EX|PRM|ACT|ADJ| ELM
(those in red need registration)
If you add a ELM 327 like http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271275445368 and register MES you can access everything without adaptor leads. The ELM 327 with leads one and two will also do everything but as you have the switched KL there is not much point in getting the leads, but you will have to switch interfaces for different modules.

Robert G8RPI.