General Beware of strimmers

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General Beware of strimmers

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Late last night returning home via Newark. Night time road repairs going on. A worker using a strimmer on the central reservation sent a stone crashing through my side window. Now I can't get that fixed till Monday earliest appointment available. The highway contractors were very good though. Cleaned all the smashed glass out of the Panda and got me a cup of tea. Have to fill out a claim form they sent me. They told me they have these strimmer damaging cars type accidents about seven times a year. They are dangerous.
 
I thought that the operators of strimmers were told to only run them when there's no vehicles or pedestrians nearby, for this very reason,...imagine if that stone had hit you in the head, causing you to crash, injure or kill another road user?
 
Yep the consequences could have been much worse.

Just a coned off lane. The guy on the right with a deadly strimmer.
 

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I caught a stone in the windscreen many years ago, from a strimmer operated by a council worker. Car was a BSM Corsa, so no idea if they claimed the screen cost.

If you've ever used a strimmer, cheap home one, or industrial, it is apparent that any debris will always throw out in one direction. If that outlet is always pointed away from traffic/people, the risk is low. Sadly, there seems to be no-one setting rules/standards. The operator admitting several incidents shows he's not learned how or why.
 
The Panda Nut has an opinion about flicked stones also.. 😉


Glad I Live somewhere with no grass 🙂

Watch the replacement glass has an appropriate tint.. And the window mech isn't full of glass 😉
Yes. Panda rear screens are very thin, side windows may be too, I think the Panda rear glass is no more than 3mm so its brittle.

I was a Grounds Manager for 25 years and agree these things are not suitable for use in populated / traffic'd areas. There is a right and a wrong way to use them and debris can be sent away from traffic if used correctly. You can also run them at less than full power which helps. Very very few people do or require this to be done. I was unfortunatley invoved when a lady was injured on her way home from major surgery at hospital in Norwich by a flying stone. I still think about that today, 20 years later. There are better tools for some of the work thats done with these things but not enough nouse to use it in many cases. Its a real nuisance when your car is damaged and the apology doesnt really make up for this at all. Personal injury is even more unacceptable.

I now lock the Pandas in thte Panda house, and shut the door, when I am mowing having done two rear screens in 6 months and a fog light with our 'professional' mower. The first the car was on the drive. The second it was in the garage but door open. In my work an instructionwas given in writing back in 1991 that work was to stop if anyone / thing came inside a 10m safety zone. It seems some people dont agree. Seeing some people cutting areas which could and therefore should be mown with a mower makes me sad and annoyed.
 
I thought that the operators of strimmers were told to only run them when there's no vehicles or pedestrians nearby, for this very reason,...imagine if that stone had hit you in the head, causing you to crash, injure or kill another road user?
They certainly should be. Its difficult for an operator to concentrate on operating the machine and passing traffic though.
 
Hedge cutters can be a problem too. The rubber skirts that keep the cuttings in wear quickly, and are expensive, so don't get replaced.
Back in 2010, a colleague using a 500 as a school car had the rear window shattered by a hedge trimmer. Tractor was facing towards her, she passed, and was about 50 yards away when the rear window shattered, and a large branch, about a foot long and inch diameter, landed on the back seat.
 
Dragged my strimmer out this morning, dusted off the cobwebs, and off we went.
It is about 25 years old, and still working fine. Flymo. One of the first that had a rotating head to do edges.

Reminded me of a tip found on t'internet.
Soak the line in water. Apparently the line, despite being nylon, dries out. Soaking in water rehydrates it, and prevents those annoying frequent breakages. As the line and spool are plastic, easy to do. Tried this last year, seems to work. The line had been breakign every few seconds. After an overnight soaking, it performed faultlessly.

Warning: Don't immerse the whole strimmer head in a bucket of water. Remove the spool. :oops:
 
Thats a good point about hege flails. These ARE dangerous and seriously so. I was working in Cheshire in the early 80's and we had a much lighter flail mower. We had an incident, thankfully not in my area, where a man was clearing an overgrown garden. The flail mower ran over a childs bike. A piece of the frame, which it munched, flew out of the front, away from the operator, it hit a washing post and came back hitting the man in the eye. The injuries were fatal. If in doubt facing tractor flails, stop well away and wait until the machine is stopped before passing, or go another way. The machine that killed this poor man was a 12hp 30" flail so a tractor powered flail is not to be messed with ! DItto the tractor verge flail mowers.
 
Got this email from National Highways today. My claim is still under consideration but take a look at 3rd paragraph. They can damage or write off your car or injure or kill people and not be liable?



"I am writing to confirm that we have received your completed claim form in relation to an incident on our road network. I am sorry to hear of this incident, and for the inconvenience caused.

To fully consider the circumstances of your claim, I will request records and reports specific to the location of your incident. Once my investigations are complete, I will provide a full written response confirming our liability position.

We assess all claims for damage in line with our statutory duty to maintain the network under the Highways Act, 1980. Section 58 of this act states that if all reasonable measures were taken to ensure the safety of the road for users, then the highway authority will not be liable to compensate for damages or loss.

As a government owned company, and to be fair to all claimants, we are only able to pay compensation from public funds where a breach of statutory duty, or negligence on the part of National Highways is established. If no such breach has occurred, we will be unable to pay compensation for your losses. "
 
I expect them to pay. Hopefully they will do so. While there are some bogus claims is you have a time date, location and receipt for the necessary repairs I expect they will pay This sort of beurocratic nonsense makes my blood boil. kits meaningless and designed as an unescessry veiled threat and put off which is unhelpful and not required when there is a clear case of negligence damage. Please feel free to quote me and my qualifications in your correspondence.

It is clearly and unequivocably the case that using and unguarded high speed rotary machine next to a live highway is highly likely to result in flying debris that is also highly likely to cause damage to any passing person or pedestrian. To avoid the risk of such damage a 30m safety zone would be required. In absence of a safety zone a double layer barrier of fine mesh could easily be used.

HSE have been involved in risk assessments Dereham (Norfolk) for strimmers and stipulated to me personally that the risk from flying debris must be assessed and adequately controlled. Use of a strimmer in Norwich in the vicinity of the old hospital caused a serious injury to a pedestrian, so these things are clearly known to occur as this was reported to HSE and is public record.

In my experience damage incidents are a regular occurence where strimmers are used near highways. Correct operation and careful application of sensible usage techniques will help to reduce risks. All opperatives MUST be trained and training should clearly an vigourously direct that operatives must pause work when people or traffic passes by unless suitable safety netting is in use. There will be occasions when operator error means this does not take place in such cases liabilty must be accepted and the insurance company informed accordingly. My experience again is insurers may refuse to cover this risk in which case the activity clearly has a high risk and is indefensible. The the operating company liable how they fund compensation is irrelevant.. Insurance is a statutory requirement and does not come from public funds, an employer conducting an activity without insurance cover must be in breach of the law.

In my experience we decided to use strimmers with good training and supervision but to pay claims for broken glass as long as a reasonable link was clear and unless there was a reasonable ground for suspecting a fraud. Providing aclaimant can show that the damage took place where the machine was oin use and the claim is reasonable, there is no reason for it not to be paid.

If they dont pay your costs take them to the small claims court. They will loose the case.

Peter Cresswell B.SC Horticulture.
Chartered Safety Practitioner (retd.)
20 years experience. Highways and Horticultural Maintenance sectors.
Worked as best practice advisorwith HSE on highways
30 Years grounds and grounds maintenance management and latterly Safety Management.
Worked as best practice advisor with HSE and Highways Agency. (They may have forgotten the discussions, I have not and will be happy to recount them.)
Highways and High speed roads advisor.
 
I expect them to pay. Hopefully they will do so. While there are some bogus claims is you have a time date, location and receipt for the necessary repairs I expect they will pay This sort of beurocratic nonsense makes my blood boil. kits meaningless and designed as an unescessry veiled threat and put off which is unhelpful and not required when there is a clear case of negligence damage. Please feel free to quote me and my qualifications in your correspondence.

It is clearly and unequivocably the case that using and unguarded high speed rotary machine next to a live highway is highly likely to result in flying debris that is also highly likely to cause damage to any passing person or pedestrian. To avoid the risk of such damage a 30m safety zone would be required. In absence of a safety zone a double layer barrier of fine mesh could easily be used.

HSE have been involved in risk assessments Dereham (Norfolk) for strimmers and stipulated to me personally that the risk from flying debris must be assessed and adequately controlled. Use of a strimmer in Norwich in the vicinity of the old hospital caused a serious injury to a pedestrian, so these things are clearly known to occur as this was reported to HSE and is public record.

In my experience damage incidents are a regular occurence where strimmers are used near highways. Correct operation and careful application of sensible usage techniques will help to reduce risks. All opperatives MUST be trained and training should clearly an vigourously direct that operatives must pause work when people or traffic passes by unless suitable safety netting is in use. There will be occasions when operator error means this does not take place in such cases liabilty must be accepted and the insurance company informed accordingly. My experience again is insurers may refuse to cover this risk in which case the activity clearly has a high risk and is indefensible. The the operating company liable how they fund compensation is irrelevant.. Insurance is a statutory requirement and does not come from public funds, an employer conducting an activity without insurance cover must be in breach of the law.

In my experience we decided to use strimmers with good training and supervision but to pay claims for broken glass as long as a reasonable link was clear and unless there was a reasonable ground for suspecting a fraud. Providing aclaimant can show that the damage took place where the machine was oin use and the claim is reasonable, there is no reason for it not to be paid.

If they dont pay your costs take them to the small claims court. They will loose the case.

Peter Cresswell B.SC Horticulture.
Chartered Safety Practitioner (retd.)
20 years experience. Highways and Horticultural Maintenance sectors.
Worked as best practice advisorwith HSE on highways
30 Years grounds and grounds maintenance management and latterly Safety Management.
Worked as best practice advisor with HSE and Highways Agency. (They may have forgotten the discussions, I have not and will be happy to recount them.)
Highways and High speed roads advisor.
Thank you. Brilliant advice. I'll wait and see what happens next.
 
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