General Afternoons work, rear disc conversion & KW suspension on Sei 1.4 16V

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General Afternoons work, rear disc conversion & KW suspension on Sei 1.4 16V

can you take a photo of the caliper, from insde the arch, or under the car - showing the location of the bleed nipple.

if it differs to the layout of the PGT/UT calipers - might be benefical to recomend people fitting the 155 HLX calipers instead.

might brake pedal might be 'ok' before i took it off the road, i had a failing master cylinder which made the pedal feel very weird, so i can't really remember what they felt like when they were working properly, i've not yet had chance to really test the brakes yet as the engine mapping isn't 100% yet.
 
OK suspension. Not really had a chance to try them out properly, but roll is reduced and the damp and rebound is much improved on these gas shocks over the standard ones. The rears are shorter by about 20mm the fronts the same length as standard but the piston is notable a fair bit thicker.

I found the standard suspension to be pretty awful, the H7R springs not only dropped the car but improved roll considerable and TBH on a nearer standard car would have been good, but we felt on the improved performance of this car a better all round set up would improve things again, and it has moved the game on. We paid pretty much what you did from a UK company but all they do is then order direct from KW Germany as they are a reseller, so do not stock the items themselves, like many companies now, we got ours in 3 days.

The reason for the 240mm disc is two fold, one it means you use front Cento discs on rear, so the offset is not changed so you can reuse standard hub, though these need custom brackets to make them, see group buy. As for callipers well anything from Punto GT to what we used Marea 155HLX or whatever its called fit though they are bigger than the Uno Turbo callipers we have also used, so again like the front callipers there are at least two different types on the go by Fiat. So we have the turbo Cinq with the earlier smaller Punto GT callipers and UT rears, and the Sei on late spec bigger Putno GT callipers and later/diff spec bigger rears. These cars unlike earlier UT do not use separate brackets to attach the calliper.

Why previous conversion's including the two I have done used 227mm discs as this forms part of the conversion using the brackets found on UT's, these brackets are NLA and as such difficult to track down unless someone is scrapping a UT. You can't just bolt on the discs though without using UT hubs as well to get the correct offset, not only for the brake disc but for the wheel, so what at first may seem a cheaper option of getting scrapped UT stuff can be more expensive as hubs are not cheap at about £35 each as most of the hubs off UT fall to bits when you remove them, well 3 out of 4 of mine did, so we bought new, plus often the callipers are in need of refurbishment, we got all four of ours done at BigRedd.

The custom brackets are really similar to the genuine UT brackets only the calliper mounts are spaced out about 10mm or so to clear the bigger brake disc, if going to trouble of getting them made, it makes sense to get them made to fit the 240mm disc.

It should be noted that the Panda 100hp, and new 500 Sport run this set up 257mm front vented discs and 240mm solid rear discs and both these car tip scales at 930+ kgs, so on cars weighing about 800-820kgs makes them stop very well, vast improvement on the frankly awful standard set up, oh and you get a wonderful handbrake.

I hope that all makes sense and reads OK as just sticking down what I can remember.

Thanks, thats helped me a lot.

Looks like i'll be doing the suspension and brakes come insurance renewal time, which is very soon :D
 
Took a photo yesterday as it happens Arc, here you go,

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can you take a photo of the caliper, from insde the arch, or under the car - showing the location of the bleed nipple.

if it differs to the layout of the PGT/UT calipers - might be benefical to recomend people fitting the 155 HLX calipers instead.

might brake pedal might be 'ok' before i took it off the road, i had a failing master cylinder which made the pedal feel very weird, so i can't really remember what they felt like when they were working properly, i've not yet had chance to really test the brakes yet as the engine mapping isn't 100% yet.

I don't think its the position of the bleed nipple that is the problem. We had this issue on Emma's Cinq where we just couldn't get a decent brake peddle on it no matter how often we bleed the system. If you pulled the handbrake on a click the brake peddle firmed up the way it should have been, so the problem lay with the way the brake pads were sitting on the disc, the extended brake peddle was due to having to take up the slack on the pads.

Didn't have this issue on my car with the same calliper design, or this car, I don't know if its some sort of combination of the older style front callipers as I think people have complained of extended travel when using these callipers, but later type no issues at all.
 
Thanks Emma (y)

It could be down to that Aaron, i am using older style front GT calipers. Like i say, there is nothing 'wrong' with my brakes - the pedal just feels different, and i've not yet had chance to use the brakes in anger but suspect they will be fine.
 
Thanks Emma (y)

It could be down to that Aaron, i am using older style front GT calipers. Like i say, there is nothing 'wrong' with my brakes - the pedal just feels different, and i've not yet had chance to use the brakes in anger but suspect they will be fine.

It is fixed now and the peddle feel is the way it should be, I can't remember what was done but I'll ask Emma's dad this afternoon if he can remember as he hated the brake peddle feel.
 
if it differs to the layout of the PGT/UT calipers - might be benefical to recomend people fitting the 155 HLX calipers instead.

LINKY :D - a long post so I'll pimp it for more views ;) .. those are PGT rears, but the newer style.



Good stuff with the brakes! Mine won't be done until next week I think, itching to get on with it.....nice to hear you didn't really have any problems (y)

Kristian
 
arc or Aaron, can you confirm that the drums mounting flange is about 3mm thicker than discs or has someone painted 3mm spacers onto my drums?
 
are Punto GT callipers the only ones that will do for this conversion

Please have a good read through the thread & if you do a bit of searching plus look through the guides you'll get more info.

It is mentioned that other cars can be the donor, Kritip's link a few posts above yours has a post that shows a list of possible donors. As described before you could alternately use Uno Turbo rears. PGT is the name people here are generally using to refer to a caliper available on 30+ other models & it really does seem to be the best choice but you do need a custom bracket.
 
right u are! lol

cheers on the job done, really looks mint! :)
 
Ah, those pictures are great help, cheers emma (y)

Started mine this afternoon...got one of the arms off as well for powerflexing.

I was thinking i should use the orig handbrake cable mount, and thought it was stupid having the hose and nipple at the bottom lol....now it all makes sense :)

Cheers,

Kristian
 
Here's a question....have you tied down the hose at all?

I pick my new hoses up tomo (fingers crossed its all ok) but wouldn't feel happy with them rubbing etc.

I looked into, and think riv nuts and then screwing down some p-clips are the best option, but the tools are about £40...and i know it'd never use them again lol

Have you fixed yours somehow ( a cheaper way) or not bothering?

Cheers,

Kristian
 
but the tools are about £40...and i know it'd never use them again

Oh yes you will :devil: , its one of those tools that when you have one you don't know how you lived without it. I've recently bust mine and the jobs that have come up since:(
 
Here's a question....have you tied down the hose at all?

I pick my new hoses up tomo (fingers crossed its all ok) but wouldn't feel happy with them rubbing etc.

I looked into, and think riv nuts and then screwing down some p-clips are the best option, but the tools are about £40...and i know it'd never use them again lol

Have you fixed yours somehow ( a cheaper way) or not bothering?

Cheers,

Kristian

I can get you a clinch nut kit from work. ( rivet type nuts) so when u need give us a shout.
 
Here's a question....have you tied down the hose at all?

I pick my new hoses up tomo (fingers crossed its all ok) but wouldn't feel happy with them rubbing etc.

I looked into, and think riv nuts and then screwing down some p-clips are the best option, but the tools are about £40...and i know it'd never use them again lol

Have you fixed yours somehow ( a cheaper way) or not bothering?

Cheers,

Kristian

Yes the brake pipes are secured, they have to be for MOT as if they are loose or rub on anything they will fail you.

We used the original mounting point with spring clip, and then a P clip secured to suspension arm, job done. That is MOT pass as this is third car we have done rear conversion on now.

The one thing you have to ensure is that you do not attach the brake line to close to the shock absorber as when the suspension is under load what looked like a big distance is no longer, much the same as the issues you had with the exhaust you got made.
 
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