Technical Abs

[GunsNRosesLover]

Hey, i have a Seicento Sporting (1998) and was wondering if you can get a ABS kit for my car. Need some questions answered:

Where to get it?
How much to buy?
How hard to fit?

Thanks

 

[rallycinq]

Answering a question with a question.....why?

Cheers

SPD

 

[GunsNRosesLover]

I have do alot of country road and dirt track driving so the wheels keep locking up and would make life alot easier with ABS

 

[J333EVO]

Don't press the brake pedal so hard, if you keep locking up wheels, modulate the braking better.

ABS should only ever be a total failure of driver input reserve, not a normal intervention.

You would need an ABS ECU, ABS hubs, ABS sensors, different master cylinder which is linked to ABS unit, dashboard as an ABS fitted car needs to have check lights, its not just a plug and play thing, and variuos other stuff that I do not know.

Some, not many, Seicento's have ABS as it was an option, be easier to buy one of those than try to modify a current car.

 

[rallycinq]

I have do alot of country road and dirt track driving so the wheels keep locking up and would make life alot easier with ABS

No it wouldn't.

Cadence brake if you must.

Cheers

SPD

 

[GunsNRosesLover]

Aye but i have to drive at speed, because i race on dirty tracks, so i need to brake as hard as possible whithout locking the brake, therefore ABS would help improve race performance. i have the skills to add it just need the info on what to get and how much.

 

[GoBe]

Forget it, 'cento ABS is a lost cause. If you want the full details on why disabling the ABS system decreased braking distances & reduced fade talk to StoneNewt.

 

[rallycinq]

Aye but i have to drive at speed, because i race on dirty tracks, so i need to brake as hard as possible whithout locking the brake, therefore ABS would help improve race performance. i have the skills to add it just need the info on what to get and how much.

Road ABS is no use for a competition application, its not clever enough.

Rallying tends to be on dirty tracks, we don't use ABS at all. What sort of sport are you doing? Is it grasstrack?

Cheers

SPD

 

[nmrmak]

Aye but i have to drive at speed, because i race on dirty tracks, so i need to brake as hard as possible whithout locking the brake, therefore ABS would help improve race performance. i have the skills to add it just need the info on what to get and how much.

Please take no offence, but it would take less time for you to learn where the lockup point of your brakes is and to learn to better modulate your braking than it would take you to find what parts are needed, buy the needed parts and fit them.

Secondly, ABS is not supposed to be used for braking as hard as possible without locking up, mostly because it will _not_ brake as hard as possible (maybe at 80-90% the power it could brake at). As someone said, it has been shown many times that ABS only increases the distance to stop. IIRC, the only situation where it was slightly useful on tests was on dry asphalt. For example, on snow, your car will take up to 30-40% more time to stop with ABS than without it. Mud responds similarly to snow. This is because when you really want to STOP your car on mud, you can choose to deliberately lockup the brakes and the tyres dig into the mud, and you can't do that with ABS. If you choose to decelerate while keeping control over the car, you could brake at 90% of the lockup power, or use cadence braking (might be even more useful on mud and snow - only let go of the brakes when you want to steer, as an extreme example).

If i were you, i'd invest the ABS money into a brake upgrade (not to increase braking power, but brake fade resistance) and some better tyres.

If you definitely want to have ABS on your car, then it's probably better to just buy a Seicento with ABS, as J333EVO said.

 

[mrcinquecento]

abs is deadly in snow and ice!!!, at least if the wheels lock up, the tyres have a chance to bite, with abs, they reduce the braking efficency as the wheels dont lock, you have no bite, and in effect, are driving without brakes on a slippery surface.

abs doesnt decrease braking distances, thats not what its for, abs is so if in an emergency situation, you still have total steering control whilst on the brakes.

a well set up non abs braking system will bring a car to a stop hugely quicker than a good abs set up on a similar car could

 

[GunsNRosesLover]

Aye we do not race in copetitions, more a goup of about 20 friends taking in turns using each others cars (on private land) and everyone that drives my car ends up locking the brakes up over and over so wanted ABS to reduce tyre and brake wear.

 

[Italian Coke Can]

Aye we do not race in copetitions, more a goup of about 20 friends taking in turns using each others cars (on private land) and everyone that drives my car ends up locking the brakes up over and over so wanted ABS to reduce tyre and brake wear.

Get friends with more skillz.

 

[nmrmak]

I know you might be frustrated that you're asking one thing ("how to do a conversion") and getting the same answer you don't want to hear ("don't do it"), but i agree with italian coke can, either have a laugh whenever someone locks up and mock them for it or don't do that sort of racing if you're worried about wear. Actually, ABS would take the fun out of it

 

[rallycinq]

Get friends with more skillz.

exactly, then contact your local car club and do it properly

cheers

SPD

 

[GunsNRosesLover]

Thinking about it i would agree with you all

 

[blu73]

My seicento has ABS, don't do it!!!!