17 Year Old. Please Advise

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17 Year Old. Please Advise

Insurance for a young person is always going to be expensive. They are the most likely to crash!

Some bits of advice to take into account, your insurance premium is made up based on risks. The first risk is age. You can't do anything about that.

The second risk is your job. If you have a stable job, such as teaching, or civil servant, you are a lower risk, if you work in retail or sales then its higher. You have to be honest about what you do, but think about your job title. Most insurance companies ask your job, reply with a sensible job description and your in. E.G. When I was at university, I always said I work in a frozen food warehouse as my job or occupation, as it was my holiday job, That reduced my premium by about 30% over saying I'm a student. Nothing wrong in that at all.

Third is the car. For your first 2 to 3 years drive something dull. It is hard, but it is useful. I had a 1.1 litre Fiat Uno for 2 years to help lower premiums when I passed my test at 18. Do not what ever you do Kev the car your building NCB in. Leave it as it is. It needs to be as dull as possible, if you buy a car with a tiny engine, thin tyres etc etc. you learn more about road holding, car control and how to drive well than anything else. A friend of mine had a 0.9 litre Citroen AX as a first car. He loathed it as a first car, but he still has it 13 years later because he really enjoys the challenge of driving it fast. You have to be able to show some skill in one, not just assume it'll do what is asked of it!

Fourth is your relationship status. If you are with a partner you are a lower risk as you are more likely to want to live, and not drive like a kn@b. This is a question on the list you are asked, the premium goes down further if that partner is a named on the policy.

Fifth is personal risk. Speeding fines, tickets etc. Avois these at all costs. For me at 31 a speeding ticket makes no difference to my policy, but to a 17 year old they will crucify you.

Finally, on the fronting ideas mentioned before, it isn't illegal, as long as it id honest. Many parents help children with car costs. The owner/keeper is the person who is responsible for the car, the upkeep, tax and insurance. Many young drivers have these costs covered by a parent, so register the car in their name and you can reduce your costs. That parent must however drive the car. This is a good thing. People who have driven for a while are better at finding new noises, and changes in driving characteristics of a car, which are early signs of component failure. New driver generally don't notice until something breaks!

Hope this is of some use.

Andy

PS- My first year premium in 1995 was £606 for a 1.1 litre Uno, this year it is £298 for a Stilo Abarth - It does get better!
 
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Andy, can I take your points in turn please.

1) Correct,

2) If a full time student then your main occupation goes down as student, not your holiday job. Like myself, Occupation, Fulltime student, second occupation, Petrolium retails adviser.

3) Correct, exactly what I've done. 20 Year old Panda's for first 2 years of driving, now 5 year old Stilo :)

4) Interesting idea, but I don't believe your reasoning to strictly be 100% accurate.

5) One SP30 offence on anyones insurance, even at the age of 18 I was when I got mine, isn't likly to make any difference. Bad to say, but its almost expected. It's more to do with what the offence is for, and if a repeat offender who has say 9 rather than 3 points.

Fronting:

What you are saying is indeed wrong! That parent must be the main driver (drive it 51% of the time or more, if that makes sence). You'll find that the majority of parents will have their own car which they use mainly. If telling the truth and declairing this car in the household (when they ask how many cars there are in the household and if the listed people have access to other vehicles etc) I can assure you almost all companies will refuse to insure you! Now this is through being honest like you say. The only time it can be done is through the policy holder actually being the main driver, or through being decietful when taking out the policy.

Fronting is not illegal, until the company your insured with decide not to pay out in the event of an incident, resulting in the car not being insured in retrospect.

I hope the above clarrifys things for everyone.

Jon.
 
Andy, can I take your points in turn please.

1) Correct,

2) If a full time student then your main occupation goes down as student, not your holiday job. Like myself, Occupation, Fulltime student, second occupation, Petrolium retails adviser.

Depends on what you decide. As a university student I maybe worked 15 hours a week over say 30 weeks of the year and then maybe 48 hours a week over 22 weeks of the year. I know what my main occupation was. Depends how hard you work to pay for yourself.

3) Correct, exactly what I've done. 20 Year old Panda's for first 2 years of driving, now 5 year old Stilo :)

4) Interesting idea, but I don't believe your reasoning to strictly be 100% accurate.

I worked a while in an insurance office call centre as a yoof, this is exactly accurate! Scary but true the insurance risk calculation goes in order of (highest to lowest) divorced, single, with additional named driver, engaged, married. Thats just the way it is (was in 1999)

5) One SP30 offence on anyones insurance, even at the age of 18 I was when I got mine, isn't likly to make any difference. Bad to say, but its almost expected. It's more to do with what the offence is for, and if a repeat offender who has say 9 rather than 3 points.

This one depends on the company, some are harsh, some not so.

Fronting:

What you are saying is indeed wrong! That parent must be the main driver (drive it 51% of the time or more, if that makes sence). You'll find that the majority of parents will have their own car which they use mainly. If telling the truth and declairing this car in the household (when they ask how many cars there are in the household and if the listed people have access to other vehicles etc) I can assure you almost all companies will refuse to insure you! Now this is through being honest like you say. The only time it can be done is through the policy holder actually being the main driver, or through being decietful when taking out the policy.

The question about access to other cars in the household is irrelevant to insurance premiums. When I used to ask the question to customers, the answer changed the wording on the T and Cs to include a line like 'the cover does not extend to driving other cars owned by other people' if the customer said they didn't have access to other cars then the cover was added as a cost option at the end of the call sheet. If they did it was a cost option. It is a money making scheme.

Fronting is not illegal, until the company your insured with decide not to pay out in the event of an incident, resulting in the car not being insured in retrospect.

I hope the above clarrifys things for everyone.

Jon.

Hi, I think we are assuming that an insurance company will be able to determine such an epic amount of person information about a person from a conversation. As a buyer of insurance it is your responsibility to be honest. Lets be totally realistic: Lets assume a child wants insurance and wants the cheapest way of doing it. It say there are a couple of options. First the totally honest approach.

Buy a car, insure it on your own, pay about £2500 a year.

Or the equally reasonable approach that shares the upkeep with a a parent.

Buy a car, register it in the name of a parent, get a parent to insure it and name the child as a named driver (with a company that allows additional drivers to accrue NCB - Direct line do this.) Nothing wrong here. If the car is involved in an accident, the insurer pays for the damage. They don't care how many miles each person drives, or what percentage of the time they drive it.

The big one that invalidates insurance is ....bald tyres! If you have a crash and you have tyres below the limit then goodbye to your pay out. The insurer will pay any third party, but not you. Then comes performance mods. As a guide in the old days, the premium loads where chip (no more than 20% power increase)= +25-100% depending on car, exhaust =+10% for each exit lowered suspension =+30% bigger/better brakes = +0% Modifications to exterior appearance = transfer to assessor. Engine mods inc. turbo charging, and roll cage fitment = no quote. The firm was a mainstream one which didn't like tuned and Keved cars much
 
Hi, I think we are assuming that an insurance company will be able to determine such an epic amount of person information about a person from a conversation. As a buyer of insurance it is your responsibility to be honest. Lets be totally realistic: Lets assume a child wants insurance and wants the cheapest way of doing it. It say there are a couple of options. First the totally honest approach.

Buy a car, insure it on your own, pay about £2500 a year.

Or the equally reasonable approach that shares the upkeep with a a parent.

Buy a car, register it in the name of a parent, get a parent to insure it and name the child as a named driver (with a company that allows additional drivers to accrue NCB - Direct line do this.) Nothing wrong here. If the car is involved in an accident, the insurer pays for the damage. They don't care how many miles each person drives, or what percentage of the time they drive it.

No matter how much I want to agree with what your saying I can't. What you are saying make a slight bit of sence, but isn't how insurance companies see it as they're greedy buggars who want more money, which I can't blame them for as the risk is higher.

And as someone who was on a parent's policy as a Named driver and then had a none fault accident that resulting in a policy being terminated due to what you list above having been one on the ground of it being Fronting I have first hand experience unfortunaly of exactly how it all works (not saying that you don't, but doubt simiar has happened to you unfortunatly).
 
But how can they void it when you are clearly on the insurance as a named driver. As someone who is legally insured on their policy?
Because they think/found out you owned the car?
Still though, you may own the car but your parents may still drive the car more than you. All is dodgy to me!
 
But how can they void it when you are clearly on the insurance as a named driver. As someone who is legally insured on their policy?
Because they think/found out you owned the car?
Still though, you may own the car but your parents may still drive the car more than you. All is dodgy to me!

It's along story and a history I'd rather not go into in detail over the net, All I'll say is that everything was done as mentioned by this other member (car in dad's name etc). At the end of the day it is fronting though, and in the event of a claim you most probably will get found out and will be baggared up the ass big style then!

If you can't afford to run/maintain/insure a car, then you shouldn't have one.

I work bloody hard like alot of people on here, to do things lagit (sp?) and it buggars me off when people think they know better. :bang:
 
After reading this and looking all over the net for insurance for when i pass ive come to a halt.
My problem is that my mom owns my car and she will drive the car from time to time but am i allowed to take insurance in my mom's name with me as a named driver ?
Or am i looking at £3500 for my insurance when i pass?
Thanks for any response
 
After reading this and looking all over the net for insurance for when i pass ive come to a halt.
My problem is that my mom owns my car and she will drive the car from time to time but am i allowed to take insurance in my mom's name with me as a named driver ?
Or am i looking at £3500 for my insurance when i pass?
Thanks for any response

Who drives it more? Her or you? If your only ocassional user then its ok.
 
Have you tried Avivas rapid bonus car sheme insurance policy? its specially made for young drivers as its only 9 months long and you get to be the first named driver on the insurance so you get to build your no claims and in 9 months you get 45% no claims discount thats if you dont get into and accidents.(y)
 
Fairly sure you'll only be allowed to use the NCB with Avaia, which is good if they are cheap, but if they aren't, your back to square one.
 
iv had my punto for 6months+ i bought it when i only had a provisional lisense, my insurance was £48 a month i passed my test few weeks back rang the insurance company and now its a wopping £164 a month, killing me i thought i was going to save some money not having so many driving lessons :(
 
iv had my punto for 6months+ i bought it when i only had a provisional lisense, my insurance was £48 a month i passed my test few weeks back rang the insurance company and now its a wopping £164 a month, killing me i thought i was going to save some money not having so many driving lessons :(

what model is it/age are u? seems expensive.
 
bloody hell i dont see how they can quote you so much, what car is it on? i am 19 and only been driving since may, am with quinn on fully comp on my grande punto 1.4t-jet and its not that much lol. errrrm the only thing i could say is that if you tell them you dont use the car to commute to work and lower the yearly mileage. i know its not telling the truth but they cant voide it aslong as you dont say the accident happened on the way to work lol. and about the lies on the mileage they hardly ever check (i know that due too the amount of times my mate have crashed cars) and they all lie on insurence (garage etc)
 
I really would edit that because even if your mates do it its not the best thing to advise people to lie on their insurance. Its a pretty stupid and naive thing to say. Your mates may have got away with it but if one of them has a big smash that costs alot to the insurance company they will spend thousands to try and get out of paying the claim by finding something you have lied about on your insurance.
 
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bloody hell i dont see how they can quote you so much, what car is it on? i am 19 and only been driving since may, am with quinn on fully comp on my grande punto 1.4t-jet and its not that much lol. errrrm the only thing i could say is that if you tell them you dont use the car to commute to work and lower the yearly mileage. i know its not telling the truth but they cant voide it aslong as you dont say the accident happened on the way to work lol. and about the lies on the mileage they hardly ever check (i know that due too the amount of times my mate have crashed cars) and they all lie on insurence (garage etc)
Yeah and then there's something called sods law in which you end up having a big crash on the way to work, and get ****ed over for it. (n)

After reading this and looking all over the net for insurance for when i pass ive come to a halt.
My problem is that my mom owns my car and she will drive the car from time to time but am i allowed to take insurance in my mom's name with me as a named driver ?
Or am i looking at £3500 for my insurance when i pass?
Thanks for any response

Put her as a named driver on your policy and it'll be cheaper :)
 
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I have a Seicento Sporting and last year I paid £1934 !!! it would had been more but i put my mum on it to lower it ( reason why its lower is because they is a possiblity that my mum will drive the car which means i wouldn't be driving it at that moment, therefore a lower risk of a accident)
i was 17 when i paid £1934 on the day i passed, i am now 18 and had my re-newal for £980 a few months ago - so its less that half !! (But still alot :()
i agree with 'Punto_Matt' about lieing to insurers, put yourself in a insurers shoes if you have a crash they ill try their very very hardest to invalidate your insurance (i.e check car for unstated mods)
Its just unlucky really, either have insurance thats correct or don't have it
Pay alot of money or risk having police pulling you takng your car and licence + going to court + Fine ?
Up too you lol
I decided to pay mine, good job cause i have been pulled 5 times and had insurance, tax, tire Etc check by coppers lmao
 
bloody hell i dont see how they can quote you so much, what car is it on? i am 19 and only been driving since may, am with quinn on fully comp on my grande punto 1.4t-jet and its not that much lol. errrrm the only thing i could say is that if you tell them you dont use the car to commute to work and lower the yearly mileage. i know its not telling the truth but they cant voide it aslong as you dont say the accident happened on the way to work lol. and about the lies on the mileage they hardly ever check (i know that due too the amount of times my mate have crashed cars) and they all lie on insurence (garage etc)
Your mates are obviously all crashing before they cover the small amount of miles they claim to cover, i can assure you that its checked if you have a crash. And when you crash one morning at 8am between your house and your place of work, where exactly are you gonna say you were going???
Encouraging law breaking on a public forum is epicly bad form (n)

If you can't afford to insure a brand new car properly then do what the rest of us do, work harder or get a different car.
 
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im 19 and pay £1600 for fully comp insurance with full breakdown service and thats for a 1.4 8v Grande punto and im First driver policy is only 9 months long and after this period I get 40% discount if I dont make any claims, best insurance deal by far. the insurance is by Aviva and the policy is called rapid bonus scheme its specially designed for young drivers give them a call for a quote you cant get it online. let us know what you get quoted.(y)
 
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