Roberto

Why not? Just because you are married and have kids it doesn't mean you can't have a sporty car.

My Stilo is three doors and gives my family no problems what so ever.

By the way, is the AR losing a lot of money in Italy too?

FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.

Not a lot... but more then a German car...

I already have said you: Stilo 3 door Savi is quite different then a 147...

habitability is a good point for Stilo, but a poor point for 147...

You should choose a 156 Sportwagon....



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I'm in love at the moment with the new GT, in three years time they will be a used bargain!

FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.

roby you can be desensive as much as you want about Alfa cause you are italian but belive me i'm dying for an Alfa too but it cannot be at the same level with Mercedes or BMW.My father drives 166 an get this ... the third month his dashboard complitely went off ... it cant happend to a 35.000e car ... at least for a merc or bmw priced that high.
Alfa has always had best designes no doubt about that ... i adore the GT as i said number of times.

FIAT STILO 1.6 3dR Tiziano Red
Sub=Pioneer TS WX20LPA
AUTOMOBILE SK

I own a Fiat Stilo Abarth 2.4 and have test driven an Alfa 147 and the Stilo is much quicker and cheaper. The build quality is the same the only difference is the price, Fiat being the cheaper of the two.

If you are considering purchasing a Stilo Abarth you'd better go for the selespeed model and check with the salesman that you are getting the correct specification as I purchased a Fiat Stilo abarth last month however on receipt the specification differed greatly than that of the brochures I picked up from the dealer on the day of sale no Connect + Sat Nav with 7" screen, No Cruise Control, No Parking Sensors, No Rain Sensor, No Dusk Sensor etc etc.

I called Fiat Information line and they sent me another brochure and sure enough all those items are listed in the specification so I popped into the dealer again and picked up the same brochure they should all be in there!

It's seems now that these items are now only standard on the Abarth Selespeed and NOT the ABARTH! however the brochure refers to the Stilo Abarth not the selespeed!!

Having said that I have purchased 4 new Fiats in the last 5 years, Punto 1.9 JTD, Punto 1.2 Go, Punto HGT and Now a Stilo Abarth! and have previously owned 5 Uno's so I must be a Fiat Nut!

Originally posted by janevj
roby you can be desensive as much as you want about Alfa cause you are italian but belive me i'm dying for an Alfa too but it cannot be at the same level with Mercedes or BMW.My father drives 166 an get this ... the third month his dashboard complitely went off ... it cant happend to a 35.000e car ... at least for a merc or bmw priced that high.
Alfa has always had best designes no doubt about that ... i adore the GT as i said number of times.

FIAT STILO 1.6 3dR Tiziano Red
Sub=Pioneer TS WX20LPA
AUTOMOBILE SK

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Oh well.... electrical fault are the problem N°1 for MB........

Have a look here to see how are satisfied American MB customer....

http://www.mercedesproblems.com/

I hope you knows a bit of French...

Etats-Unis: Mercedes reconnaît des problèmes de qualité

Juergen Hubbert, un membre du conseil de direction de Mercedes-Benz et Smart aux Etats-Unis aurait avoué à un journaliste d?Automotive News Europe que le constructeur "travaillait de toutes ses forces" pour corriger les problèmes qui apparaissent dans les systèmes de contrôle électronique des véhicules de marque Mercedes-Benz.

Déjà, lors d'une conférence organisée par le cabinet d'études JD Power & Associates, M. Hubbert avait reconnu la présence de "bugs dans le système" et que le constructeur devait "apprendre la bonne manière d'organiser l'électronique" et offrir une fiabilité à la hauteur des standards de la marque. Il avait également ajouté : "ce sont toujours les leaders qui rencontrent des problèmes" .
L'éditeur Automotive News Europe ajoute que Mercedes-Benz a été récemment malmené par deux études successives, de l'ADAC, le plus grand Automobile Club allemand, et du cabinet d'études JD Power & Associates. Enfin, un site web a été ouvert aux Etats-Unis par des clients contrariés de la marque allemande. Il propose à la consultation un "guide des solutions aux problèmes de Mercedes-Benz" destinés aux propriétaires mécontents de leur véhicule ou du service offert par le constructeur.

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You think that MB are reliable, but they aren't how you believe...

PS

They can't make a F1 engine without buying Ilmor...
They can't make a F1 without buying McLaren Team...




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Originally posted by [email protected]
I own a Fiat Stilo Abarth 2.4 and have test driven an Alfa 147 and the Stilo is much quicker and cheaper. The build quality is the same the only difference is the price, Fiat being the cheaper of the two.

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Stilo dashboard materials are excellent... Stilo have only some problem with assembly and finish...

Stilo is a excellent choice for price/quality and price/equipments but performance of Stilo Abarth aren't comparable with 147 GTA... If you say this you haven't tested a 147 GTA V6...

and handling of 147 is better then any Stilo... 147 suspension scheme allows this...

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Roberto, Roberto!

You sound like you have shares in Alfa!

No one is being critical of the car Roberto, we are all agreed that ARs are better than FIATs, it's the price, residuals and the biggest question is, do they warrant the prices Alfa has set for the cars ???

Clearly not, as the second hand market suggests.

FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.

It all boils down to money at the end of the day. I would rather a 147 jtd but I can't justify a 3 grand difference between a 147 and a Stilo.

The deals on new Sitos are good, so good that I wouldn't even consider a used one - >10K for a brand new Stilo jtd compared to around 8K for an 02 model.

A 147 jtd is available for just under 13K but has less equipment than the Stilo ( even with the new specs)

My point exactly, is the Alfa worth 3k more than the Stilo, the answer is no.

FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.

Absolutely. I would not be driving a diesel at all if it wasn't for the savings in fuel costs!

Despite what Nige says about powerful diesel engines (and the jtd engine is one of the best), there is no diesel engine that makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end the way a good Italian petrol engine does between 6 and 7,000rpm.

Yes the low down torque is good for every day use but lets face it having a car that sounds like a taxi at idle is not exactly sexy. Think dirty black smoke pumping out of the exhaust, think noisy rattle, think . . . diesel.

"When you sit in a Focus RS or a Golf R32 it’s like sitting in a commercial for Lynx aftershave. When you sit in an 147 GTA it’s like sitting in a Venetian’s hand-made suitcase."

Some news about future AR 148 (5/2006)...

148 engines:
1.6 110cv
1.6JTS 135cv
1.9JTD 120cv
1.9JTD 150cv
1.9JTD 200cv
2.2JTS 190cv
3.2V6JTS 265cv this isn't the GTA...

compared with new Audi A3 / new BMW 1-series

148 1.6 110cv vs la A3 1.6 102cv
148 1.6JTS 135cv vs A3 1.6FSI 115cv vs 116i 115cv
148 2.2JTS 190cv vs A3 2.0FSI 150cv vs 120i 150cv
148 3.2V6JTS 265cv vs A3 3.2FSI 255cv
148 1.9JTD 120cv vs A3 1.9TDI 105cv vs 318d 2.0 122cv
148 1.9JTD 150cv vs A3 2.0TDI 140cv
148 1.9JTD 200cv vs A3 2.0TDI 175cv vs 120d 163cv

cv = bhp



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Hey Roberto

Have you a picture of the 148 and 158?

Savi.

FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.

Unfortunately no...

But soon you will see 147 restyling...

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i like the way stilo boy didnt reply to my last post,obviously hit the nail on the head,by the way ar47 rules its in a different class to the stilo,we can only dream[^]

Roby
much as I love Alfas, and I've had more Alfas than any other marque, you don't half talk garbage about cars.

Quality and Italian are words that go together like peaches and gravy! Lets face it we all buy Alfas and Fiats because they still have "soul" and any illusions that they have Germanic build quality are soon brought down to earth by the shocking general standard of the dealers that Alfa and Fiat deem fit to sell, service and encourage the use of their products!

In days of old, when Alfas and Fiats started rusting on the production line, handling and style were paramount. When style was felt to be unimportant, eg. 124 Special T saloon, 130 saloon ............come to think of it any saloon or five door car, at least they all used to handle and 'perform' as driver's cars.

Apart from the 156 GTA which does surprisingly well, there hasn't been a real top-of-the-class, 10/10 handling Alfa or Fiat since the days of the Alfetta and the Mirafiori. Good, yes. But "the best", no! The 33p4 that I had would run rings around any of the current non-GTA Alfas and lets face it the 33 only had 137bhp and almost no torque at all. A Stilo Abarth would not have a chance on anything other than a dual carriageway or a motorway!

At least most of the engines have still been good, but the petrol versions have suffered from the increasing weight of the cars.

There is a required investment in skill in engineering terms to produce high quality, safety and structural rigidity without increasing weight and compromising handling. Companies like Honda and even Ford and Renault have achieved a better chassis balance than Fiat/Alfa in the last few years and this is depressing.

I hope you are right in what you are saying about the future, but I have my doubts. What use is extra bhp when the car's weight increases as well?


"When you sit in a Focus RS or a Golf R32 it’s like sitting in a commercial for Lynx aftershave. When you sit in an 147 GTA it’s like sitting in a Venetian’s hand-made suitcase."

driver33

Roberto is a very patriotic boy, that has a lot to do with his opinions!

TC.

FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.

I have a 1.8 5dr Stilo and I´ve tested a 147 1.6 T. Spark car. While the car DOES handle better, it is by no means worth the $5000 premium. The interior quality is no better than my Stilo, it does however have more attractive styling - please DON´T confuse this with quality. Here´s a kicker - I can take four full-sized people along with myself on a 100-mile trip and not hear any complaints about space. The Alfa was refreshing as those poor guys were elbowing each other like crazy . Anyway, I tested the Stilo´s 0-100 kph (0-62 mph) performance. Two full-sized people (180 kg) with a full tank of gas yielded great results: 8.92s, the second run was also below 9s, but the guy stopped the watch too late. The timer was stopped when the car´s tacho reached the point between 105 and 110 on the speedo. The test was also performed with a 3000 rpm clutch dump - talk about a hard launch... Anyway, the 147s are not all they are cranked up to be.

i have heard number of times that alfa gt is a cheap porsche ... its sooo good ...
ive always respected bmw far more than mb ... the silver sh** annoys me and i know lots of angry mb owners.

FIAT STILO 1.6 3dR Tiziano Red
Sub=Pioneer TS WX20LPA
AUTOMOBILE SK

Savi,

Yes, I'm patriotic.... but for this I never will say that a thing is white if it is black....

driver33,

From 156 on you will find quality and finish also on Alfa Romeo... before for some years it was disappared...

Ok: Honda makes excellent car S2000 and V-tec engines are wonders..

but Ford and Renault.... 147 handling is better then any of these...

weight increases for all cars... more optionals -> more weight -> more power...

you will see soon this...

-156 CrossWagon 4x4



-147 restyling

-GT cabrio

- 8c Competizione



-A model derived from concept Brera:





- AR Kamal




About prices:

I don't know how ARs cost in UK... In Italy if you don't choose colors and optionals you can find some versions with good discount...

I don't say that them don't cost too much...

I say that if a Stilo has a value of 8 it probably costs 7/8... instead a 147 has a value of 9 and probably it costs 10...

and for races....



[Monza 2004]

Germans always back................



R.



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