General Stilo vs 147

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General Stilo vs 147

TC ... i dont think that alfa puts 1.8litres engine in the 147 i think there are 2 1.6's and one 2.0 litres.
german cars are more solid thats a fact and they are also moneysavers but totaly agreeing with TC ... YOU BUY ALFA WITH YOUR HEART its a passion.

FIAT STILO 1.6 3dR Tiziano Red
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Ok janejv I didn't know that.

My cousin has an AR 146 1.6 and it accelerates so much quicker than my Stilo, it's baffling as it's only an eight valve! [:0]

FIAT engines used to be good too but they seem to lack the same performance as FIAT engines of old, why?

I had 127s in 1050 and 1300cc and Strada Abarth 130TC and these cars were quick with really nice free revving engines, what happened ???

FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.
 
Haven't the ARs become fat and well built then ???

FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.
 
TC, the 147 1.6 is 16valve and is 120 bhp, on paper, it shouldn't outaccelerate the Stilo, it should top end it though.

That said, stats are one thing, how a car actually performs is another!

Steve, yeah alfa's have changed, but is it really for the worst? I now they have lost some of their charm but the 156 and 147 have sold very well and are popular cars, I reckon Alfa views the changes it has made as a good thing.

Stilo TURBO!!!!(diesel)
 
stilo boy what are you on about,1.2s are for puntos not stilos,you might be able to kid yourself but everybody else is laffing:p;)
 
Originally posted by twincamms
The trouble is, AR pitches itself in the market as a Prestige Marque, and it's pricing reflects that. But their sales figures and residuals don't.

So by buying an AR, yes you may be buying a nicer styled car, but it is no better in build quality than your FIAT, it's certainly no BMW or Merc, so why the premium in price?

And when you come to sell your AR you are going to want to kill yourself because you lost all that money. AR is a brand that you buy with your heart not your head, because if you were using your brain and had that kind of money to spend you'd buy German and at least in three years time you'd get back some of your original outlay, unlike the AR of course.

What do you reckon guys?

FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.

Savi you don't know current AR production...

You have said a lot incorrect things...

Now AR are totally different to fiat production!!!

You are right about 146, but was 10 years ago... now 156, 147 are quite different to a Stilo...

AR are better then a BMW or a MB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

You pay more for a 147, but you also have more... only a thing you have less: space!!!!

Better quality, better assembly, better performance, better handling, better steering wheel, better suspensions scheme, ecc....

147 is a C-premium like Audi A3 and BMW 3-compact...

Now for AR you don't pay only for a brand!

Forget 155, 145/6 those were Fiat branded AlfaRomeo... now 156, 147, 166, GT are the real Alfa Romeo!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by alfanige
I drive lots of both.... 147 wins in each version unless you are going for a 1.2 then the cheapie Stilo is the only option.

147 JTD is the best of the lot.

Alfa Romeo 156 2.4 JTD (210BHP)
Fiat Punto JTD (130BHP)
Fiat Barchetta

http://www.angeltuning.co.uk
http://www.bravo-guide.co.uk THE Fiat Bravo site

Nige you know what you speak about!!....

;)

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Roberto

First, the quote above from Steve C, he means the old ones were better, faster and less clninical than new AR.

Secondly, Alfanige says that anything with a JTD engine is better than it's petrol equivalent.

Thirdly, I speak from experience, my uncle has a 156 (2001), my other uncle has a 318 (2003), don't try to tell me that the build quality is comparible, the BMW is far superior. When you stand these cars side by side and inspect them it's easy to start seperating their interior and exterior finishes. The BMW trounces the AR. Although the AR is more beautiful and stylish and Italian, the BMW is better built, has better driving dynamics and will not depreciate like a rock.

If the AR was a prestige car as you suggest, why do you pay £20,000 for a new one and buy one for £6,000 four years later? If you pay £20,000 for a new BMW, four years later you'll still be paying £11,000 for it, I rest my case.

I am not critisising AR as I want one next time I change my car, what I am saying is that they will never be a BMW, MB or Lexus and they should stop trying to pitch themselves in that market, perhaps they then have good sales over here.

Let's not forget Roberto, your opinions are gauged from a different market, in the UK AR have as much clout as Lancia and FIAT.

I look forward to your comments in response to this post! :D

Savi.

FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.
 
I have no problem whatsoever by choosing better car, with my 190 cm and 100 kg+ I just can't seat in Alfa 147 (or in 156 or in ...) well Alfa is one damn small car, I don't like it. [8)]

Stilo MW 1.9 80HP, Tiziano Red, Visteon MP3 player, extra tinted windows, cruise control
 
Stiloboy, no doubt the 1.2 is a nice engine, with a decent gearbox, but even so it is a little short legged and couldn't truly appeal to a boyracer like TC:D

I don't think AR is an equivelant to merc, BMW or Audi, but it is something a cut above the mainstream, it has its own niche, similar to how Saab (decreasingly so) have, and to some extent so have volvo (again decreasingly so).

As for build quality, it is similar to fiat, maybe though they do use slightly better trim materials.

Stilo TURBO!!!!(diesel)
 
Stiloboy, James is right, your 1.2 should be left to Seis and Puntos, I test drove a 1.2 and it was feeble, and as James points out, it wouldn't suit boy-racers like himself! :D

FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.
 
Originally posted by Saint
I have no problem whatsoever by choosing better car, with my 190 cm and 100 kg+ I just can't seat in Alfa 147 (or in 156 or in ...) well Alfa is one damn small car, I don't like it. [8)]

Stilo MW 1.9 80HP, Tiziano Red, Visteon MP3 player, extra tinted windows, cruise control

This is true...

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Originally posted by twincamms
Roberto

First, the quote above from Steve C, he means the old ones were better, faster and less clninical than new AR.

Secondly, Alfanige says that anything with a JTD engine is better than it's petrol equivalent.

Thirdly, I speak from experience, my uncle has a 156 (2001), my other uncle has a 318 (2003), don't try to tell me that the build quality is comparible, the BMW is far superior. When you stand these cars side by side and inspect them it's easy to start seperating their interior and exterior finishes. The BMW trounces the AR. Although the AR is more beautiful and stylish and Italian, the BMW is better built, has better driving dynamics and will not depreciate like a rock.

If the AR was a prestige car as you suggest, why do you pay £20,000 for a new one and buy one for £6,000 four years later? If you pay £20,000 for a new BMW, four years later you'll still be paying £11,000 for it, I rest my case.

I am not critisising AR as I want one next time I change my car, what I am saying is that they will never be a BMW, MB or Lexus and they should stop trying to pitch themselves in that market, perhaps they then have good sales over here.

Let's not forget Roberto, your opinions are gauged from a different market, in the UK AR have as much clout as Lancia and FIAT.

I look forward to your comments in response to this post! :D

Savi.

FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.

Savi,

Nigel had a 156 V6... he knows Alfa Romeo....

147 has a suspension scheme better then any MB or BMW...

I don't know how you say in English, but in Italian is we say quadrilaterals:

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think about suspension of a F1 you will see a quadrilateral...

166 rear suspensions are multilink!!!

for this there are space problems, sophisticated suspension takes space...

About materials, they are equivlent to Audi, they have the same supplier...

Audi is a bit better for finish and assembly but materials are the same... MB and BMW are under Audi and AR for materials quality... and equal to AR for assembly and finish...

You compare a 156 2001 with a 3 series 2003, 156 has had three restiling in this time...

If you compare a GT that is new, you can find "pienofiore" leader for Luxury versions... MB and BMW haven't the same... also on the dashboard and doors...

147/GT are on the whole better then any MB o BMW... only space is a problem but if you aren't 2 m you are fine...

156 is for handling better then any BMW or MB, BMW on races are always back to Alfa Romeo.... always... see the results...

AR have only a lack: 4wd, rear wheel drive that was it's tradiction, and some lack in big engines...

the 1st is on the way for next 148 and 158...

the 2nd will be on the 159, prototipes already runs with a transaxle rear wheel drive....

and the 3rd also are on the way... new V6 and V6 M-jet...

Some years and AR will be the best...

and for exsternal design AR haven't equals...

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go roby, and i wish there was a sei with the 1.2 16v, if there were i'd own a fiat now....

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Donz,

The sei will be probably replaced by Panda 3doors...

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Roberto

Wow, you've gone all defensive!

As I said in my last post, I am not critisizing AR as I want one, I love them, my point is, and you failed to answer in your response, if they are worthy of being called a prestige brand and offer the same quaity and technological specifications as our German counterparts, why are the residuals so poor? (just in case you haven't understood Roberto, this is the amount a car loses from it's new price, generally in the first three years)

Are they the same in Italy. Do they lose money quicker than a gambler in a casino? And also, why do the public not like them, why are they so taken with German brands?

Savi.




FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.
 
Originally posted by twincamms
Roberto

Wow, you've gone all defensive!

As I said in my last post, I am not critisizing AR as I want one, I love them, my point is, and you failed to answer in your response, if they are worthy of being called a prestige brand and offer the same quaity and technological specifications as our German counterparts, why are the residuals so poor? (just in case you haven't understood Roberto, this is the amount a car loses from it's new price, generally in the first three years)

Are they the same in Italy. Do they lose money quicker than a gambler in a casino? And also, why do the public not like them, why are they so taken with German brands?

Savi.




FIAT Stilo Sport. Pretty Much Bog Standard Really. Rear Roof Spoiler,
Sill Protectors, Aluminium Foot Pedals, Eibach 30mm Drop Springs.

This is true Savi...

Why this?...

Because you need 50 years to make a fame (remember that first Ferrari were Alfa Romeo, up to AR 75 the last real AR for someone)... but are enough 10 years of poor products (Arna, 155, 145/6, ecc) to lose all...

AR needs time to recapture trust from its clients...

People trusts in BMW, MB and Audi but 4/5 of them don't know any about automotive...

TC then buy a second hand AR... ;)

Savi with 2 childs (and another on the way I think) AR isn't a good choise for you....

ciao :)

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