Hi guys, just fitted new Crosland fuel filter as part of oil and filter service for my 2007 1.9 jtd 16valve multijet 150. For some reason, after priming filter with 5/6 key turns to mar position, I now have `check fuel filter` warning on dash. Anyone had this and whats the solution ? Also, what size hex key to unscrew oil sump plug, is it 12mm ? ATB

Hi,

Does your car have the plastic housing and "paper" element filter or the metal cartridge type? It's not unknown for a new cartridge type filter to have a faulty water detector. Try unplugging the detector and see if the error clears.

Robert G8RPI.

the crossland filter if cheap probably doesn't come with a water in fuel sensor, ive fitted a few and usually swap the sensor off my original expensive one over to the cheap replacement that will come with a plastic screw at the bottom.
its the metal cartridge with quick fit connections, a drip of fuel on the pipes to lubricate the orings inside wouldn't go a miss and make sure the connections are all the way on and click .
never had any issue with 10 or more filters on my jtd 150, always primed key on to bleed a few times and started when sounded primed.
here was was of mine

How often do these filters need to be changed?

I presume if they "have water" in them you can just drain them and carry on... so are they changed "by mileage", or by age? Mines' done aboot 43,000 miles now and I never touched it..

Ralf S.

Ralf S. said:

How often do these filters need to be changed?

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Every 12,000 miles according to the service schedule.
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Replace Air filter every 24,000 miles? I'm changing mine every 12,000.. and even that looks like too many miles.

I'd better buy the beast a new fuel filter for the next service though. It'll have done a tour of 48,000 by the time I change it.. Ooops!


Ralf S.

Barry1955 said:

Hi guys, just fitted new Crosland fuel filter as part of oil and filter service for my 2007 1.9 jtd 16valve multijet 150. For some reason, after priming filter with 5/6 key turns to mar position, I now have `check fuel pump` warning on dash. Anyone had this and whats the solution ? Also, what size hex key to unscrew oil sump plug, is it 12mm ? ATB

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Hi.
Plug..12mm hex is common with FIAT.

MY 1st JTD .. with FFSH..... the sump plug was so badly rounded I had to butcher it out and replace it

g8rpi said:

Hi,

Does your car have the plastic housing and "paper" element filter or the metal cartridge type? It's not unknown for a new cartridge type filter to have a faulty water detector. Try unplugging the detector and see if the error clears.

Robert G8RPI.

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Hi g8rpi, its the metal canister type, just replaced the black plastic screw-in sensor off bottom of old filter into new filter, clicked on electrics connector and primed before starting engine. Will be trying again later to see if its one of those self clearing messages.

Barry1955 said:

Hi g8rpi, its the metal canister type, just replaced the black plastic screw-in sensor off bottom of old filter into new filter, clicked on electrics connector and primed before starting engine. Will be trying again later to see if its one of those self clearing messages.

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Start it up 3 or 4 times - error should clear and stop displaying the filter warning and the error message on the instrument panel.

If it doesnt then you will need to use MES to clear it, it should clear though as the issue is no longer present.

Ralf S. said:

How often do these filters need to be changed?

I presume if they "have water" in them you can just drain them and carry on... so are they changed "by mileage", or by age? Mines' done aboot 43,000 miles now and I never touched it..

Ralf S.

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43k miles without fuel filter change?

sussexa said:

the crossland filter if cheap probably doesn't come with a water in fuel sensor, ive fitted a few and usually swap the sensor off my original expensive one over to the cheap replacement that will come with a plastic screw at the bottom.
its the metal cartridge with quick fit connections, a drip of fuel on the pipes to lubricate the orings inside wouldn't go a miss and make sure the connections are all the way on and click .
never had any issue with 10 or more filters on my jtd 150, always primed key on to bleed a few times and started when sounded primed.
here was was of mine
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Hi sussexa, that's the same filter I fitted, and fitted in same way. Car starts and runs ok. Where is the water sensor and what does it look like ? I just unscrewed the black plastic `thingy` from old filter and screwed into new one , then clipped wiring connector back on.

varesecrazy said:

Hi.
Plug..12mm hex is common with FIAT.

MY 1st JTD .. with FFSH..... the sump plug was so badly rounded I had to butcher it out and replace it

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Hi varesecrazy, had to buy an 8mm hex socket sump key or my multijet, and must have been tightened by a gorilla. At least the 12mm one fits the wifes Punto

the black plastic thingy you switched over is the water in diesel sensor.
ive been swapping the sensor to the cheaper filters for some time now, just be careful not to break it i usually fit the new rubber off the plastic drain tap from the crossland and just dont overtighten it as i think the filter with sensor in it was £40-50.
regarding change times i tend to do every year regardless especially if i pick up a few on offer in bulk.
never had a water in fuel message show so no idea how much it would need to trigger alarm but im guessing the nipple on the top is opened up and the water bled out(guessing never had to do it)
i run higher fuel rail pressure and filters are cheaper than injectors or a high pressure fuel pump.
i think the multijet was down for 60,000km filter change in the manual too far for my liking.

flisko said:

43k miles without fuel filter change?

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Aye! I thought it must have a service life around the same as a cambelt for instance... since all its doing really is filtering what should be clean fuel anyway, so I'm not sure it should ever really clog up...

The car runs absolutely fine.. just some occasionally vague acceleration around 3000rpm which might go away when I stick a new filter on there.

I've never had a "water in the fuel" message even though 43,000 miles means it's had a lot of opportunity to collect it. I dunno what causes water in the fuel .. but I run a dash of kerosene/2-EHN mix in the the tank... and I usually drive the car about 25 miles each way in my usual routine .. so it's always thoroughly warmed up twice a day.

Anyway.. maybe I've just been lucky. I've ordered a new filter for the next service ..


Ralf S.

sussexa said:

im guessing the nipple on the top is opened up and the water bled out(guessing never had to do it)

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Diesel fuel being an oil would float on top of water, so any water would accumulate at the bottom of the filter.

Normal way to drain it would be to loosen the white cap or water sensor at the bottom of the filter. The white cap has a small tube moulded into the bottom of it that you can hold a small container (spray can lid) under it. Can't remember if the black sensor has the tube.
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i think i cut an old filter up years ago to check how dirty it was and i seem to remember the nipple on the top fitted to a tube than ran to the bottom so would drain the water from the bottom(if done priming pump or off?).
i guess its needed as if drain was below it would need the filter removing to even get to it as its not possible to get below on the 150jtdm even to unplug sensor it has to be lifted out(at least for my hands)
found a pic of similar unit here

Many thanks guys, finally sorted ! Loosened water sensor till liquid dripped out ( diesel or water ? ) refitted elecs connection, re-primed and hey presto no warnings. Did this before seeing dia of filter from sussexa, why don't they include a leaflet in new filters ? Also I did not take off battery neg lead this time- coincidence ? Winter service all done for another year, ( filters/oil, AND replaced faulty glow plug quite easily, but had used nearly a full can of Plusgas ocer the last week ) ! Thanks to all for their advice.

Barry1955 said:

Many thanks guys, finally sorted ! Loosened water sensor till liquid dripped out ( diesel or water ? ) refitted elecs connection, re-primed and hey presto no warnings. Did this before seeing dia of filter from sussexa, why don't they include a leaflet in new filters ? Also I did not take off battery neg lead this time- coincidence ? Winter service all done for another year, ( filters/oil, AND replaced faulty glow plug quite easily, but had used nearly a full can of Plusgas ocer the last week ) ! Thanks to all for their advice.

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Good stuff mate.

I did my glow plugs a couple of months ago, i was worried about removing them but to my surprise - this car has been serviced regularly and properly by Fiat then a fiat / alfa specialist ever since until I got my hands on her.

Luckily - i bought a laserline slim socket and mine flew out, i was still waiting for my plusgas to arrive and decided to bugger it and give it a shot - glad I did as they where slightly over hand tight, not rusted on the threads either so as I said - they flew out and there easy to access on the MJ 150.

There is some interesting info on the net regarding filters, showing the difference between decent makes and poor ones. Everyone changing filters should see this.

I would now not touch any filters for any automotive application apart from authentic parts or possible one or two top brands from reputable sources. Crossland is one I would not consider. Particularly after buying one for a Perodua recently that was so badly made it would not fit.

I think from memory it was Mann filters whose investigations I found most interesting.

The difference between the good and the bad has to be seen to be believed!!!

Barry1955 said:

Many thanks guys, finally sorted ! Loosened water sensor till liquid dripped out ( diesel or water ? ) refitted elecs connection, re-primed and hey presto no warnings. Did this before seeing dia of filter from sussexa, why don't they include a leaflet in new filters ? Also I did not take off battery neg lead this time- coincidence ? Winter service all done for another year, ( filters/oil, AND replaced faulty glow plug quite easily, but had used nearly a full can of Plusgas ocer the last week ) ! Thanks to all for their advice.

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Did you unscrew the plastic knob on the bottom of the filter? Or is the drain screw (as distinct from the drain itself) on the top/somewhere else?

My filter doesn't look 100% like the picture. It only has the plastic knob on the bottom.. (there are otherwise 3 pipes connected to the top housing that can't be related to the drain and a big metal union nut).


Ralf S.