Technical Front suspension arms

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Technical Front suspension arms

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Front arm rear bushes are cream crackered on my 2004 Stilo JTD. I was wondering if the later pressed steel arms would fit. This would allow for new bushes and ball joints to be fitted in the future without requiring new arms again. ( I don't think you can change the ball joints in the cast arms - unless someone knows better.) Or maybe just better to change back bush in existing arm as ball joint is ok. ( my arms have 12mm bolt through front horizontal bush.) Anyone done this swap??
 
Davren, would this apply to my stilo registered in november 2006... im repairing mine and tomorrow it will be up on axel stands ready for coilovers and a whole new near side set of components (wish bone, c.v.boot, drop link, track rod, calliper) possibly a antiroll bar but hope not as eper looks dawnting.. anyhow i have help from a former hgv mechanic and discovery mechanic so we should be ok!
 
If you have cast arms, they'll be the "old" 12mm bolt jobs. If they're steel then they'll be the 14mm.

For the OP... I wouldn't worry about hacking the suspension.

A later arm ball-joint is £18 (TRW)..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRW-Front...270463&hash=item2c9e56a660:g:ajAAAOSw44BYLzRk

A whole early suspension arm is £25 (if bought as a pair);

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-STIL...189333&hash=item4d3e0bc026:g:S5kAAOSwa-dWlkb7


So for my money, if the ball joint is knackered, change the whole arm (complete with new bushes) for £7 extra.


A front bush is £7 on its own;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Replaceme...170510?hash=item2369a3620e:g:7c4AAOSwcl1XPa3R

A rear bush is £11(if this is the right part... I haven't checked).
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suspensio...389914?hash=item5d6f20f71a:g:SxAAAOSwsW9Y1GNa

So again, the whole arm looks way less hassle for the cost saving.


Ralf S.
 
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Davren, would this apply to my stilo registered in november 2006

According to ePER, the change point was 15th October 2006, so your car should have the pressed steel arms. However, ePER is known to be wrong sometimes.

If you have cast arms, they'll be the "old" 12mm bolt jobs. If they're steel then they'll be the 14mm.

There are 3 types of arm:

Early cast iron with 12mm front bolt.
Later cast iron with 14mm front bolt.
Pressed steel, all with 14mm front bolt.
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Thanks guys - I will fit new bushes in the existing arms as the ball joints are fine.

I know new arms would be easier but I am now trying to keep down costs.

I bought this STILO JTD 115 spares or repair at the beginning of the summer to keep miles off my other car as I intend to keep that one long term. Also I will use it for my youngest son to learn to drive ( he isn't getting his hands on the other car)

I thought it would be £210 quid well spent as although it was spares or repair it allegedly wanted the engine management light turning off and new rear axle bushes. It had seven months of MOT on it so it couldn't be that bad could it ??

Jobs so far -

Rear axle bushes (PITA I had to completely take the back axle off the car to do them)

One rear brake caliper changed - original totally seized and definitely not doing any braking. ( I did manage to free it off but it then leaked)

Rear pads changed - completely shot - should of been changed a long long time ago.

Front discs and pads worn - changed.

EGR valve clogged - this is probably why the engine light was on. This now been cleaned and then an EGR blanking plate fitted.

Engine light turned off and has stayed off.

Front nearside headlamp bulb changed (PITA)

Rear number plate light one fitting missing and screws for other seized solid ( they all do that sir) now all sorted.

Rear wiper arm missing - now replaced.

Oil trap on bottom of air filter smashed allowing unfiltered air to enter engine/turbo - now sorted.

Air filter housing loose and hanging down - refixed

Full service filters oil etc ( looking at the oil I think the last oil change was done while Pontius was still a pilot)

Multiple bit of trim changed/repaired including parcel shelf ,handbrake surround, and numerous others.

Radio not working - fuse blown - trapped wire sorted

boot lock seized - now freed off

Car absolutely filthy inside - how could anyone drive it around like that .

many others that I have probably forgotten about


Still required -----

Front arms bushes need doing

I need the security code to get central locking to work from the remote


My point in all this is that someone was driving around in this car until I bought it with all the above faults. Some of them serious safety items. How on earth did it pass a MOT only 5 months before I bought it ( remind me not to use that garage). I find it shocking what faults some people will just ignore.

I now have my own parking space at the breakers and some think I actually work there. I must be on their Christmas card list!! but at least there is a healthy supply of STILOs there.

Despite all of the above I quite like the car and I am looking forward to driving it (so is my son). Does this mean that I am losing the plot !!

End of rant - take care - hope you have less issues with your cars than I have had with this one.

Maybe a timing belt and water pump to do sometime soon -- Now going to hide in a dark room.
 
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Jobs so far -

Rear axle bushes (PITA I had to completely take the back axle off the car to do them)

>> Mine went too. Got a garage to do mine since I knew it was going to be a PITA. Garage charged me £200 and complained it was a PITA.. :D

One rear brake caliper changed - original totally seized and definitely not doing any braking. ( I did manage to free it off but it then leaked)

>> I changed both of mine as they were too weak. I found some very cheap refurbished ones on fleabay that someone had fitted for an MOT ... but failed on a whole load of other stuff, which was uneconomic to fix. I still have the old ones, in case I ever feel like repairing them.
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EGR valve clogged - this is probably why the engine light was on. This now been cleaned and then an EGR blanking plate fitted.

>> Mine was the same. Also the MAP sensor (bolted to the back of the inlet manifold) was full of soot. I replaced that one.

Oil trap on bottom of air filter smashed allowing unfiltered air to enter engine/turbo - now sorted.

Air filter housing loose and hanging down - refixed

>> Mine was the same. I tried to glue the beast together but it wasn't having it/too oily to glue. I repaired the broken pieces with second-hand bits and strapped the oil trap to something immovable with cable ties. Proper job! :D

Full service filters oil etc ( looking at the oil I think the last oil change was done while Pontius was still a pilot)

>> Mine was the same. An overfilled sump meant that oil was being blown into the inlet via the breather.. which was a bit choked. Oil was getting into the EGR and the MAP sensor.. Cleaned the whole lot out and now only fill the oil to 80%.. :)

I now have my own parking space at the breakers and some think I actually work there. I must be on their Christmas card list!! but at least there is a healthy supply of STILOs there.

>> My Fiat dealer's computer thought I was a Trader and started giving me an automatic 10% discount before they noticed and put a stop to it.. :D I had most of the parts and pieces I needed by then though.. :D Dealer staff all know who I am when I phone up.. and when I asked the new car sales guy how much he could sell me a new Jeep Renegade for, he refused since it would knacker the dealership's parts sales..


Despite all of the above I quite like the car and I am looking forward to driving it (so is my son). Does this mean that I am losing the plot !!

No.. the JTD is a good old bus. I like it that nobody knows what it is and even though mine (5 door) rolls like a tea-clipper around corners and bashes every speed hump (I found and fitted an engine undertray which is as high as it can be...) .. Gerrard is "queen of the motorways" and returns a regular 55mpg.

I'm still not 100% on the diesel clatter but I've bolted and strapped down anything that can vibrate, deadened anything that can be muffled.. and clipped or re-clipped anything that has escaped it's OE restraints. I also stick some 2-EthylHexyl Nitrate in every tank to smooth out the general diesel-ness.. :D

Next car will probably be petrol, despite all this.. :D but in a few years Euro-III diesels will be outlawed from everywhere and so someone will scrap the old beast without a second thought... so I'm using it before it becomes a renegade (or even a Renegade, if the dealer will relent and sell me a new motor.. :D )

Maybe a timing belt and water pump to do sometime soon -- Now going to hide in a dark room.

If you have the pukka cam-lock (c.£30) it is a piece of cake... just fiddly rather than difficult. One of the water pump bolts needs gasket/silicone round it, since it opens into a water channel. I missed that the first time and had to re-do it.. :eek:


Ralf S.
 
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Oil trap on bottom of air filter smashed allowing unfiltered air to enter engine/turbo - now sorted.

I did not bother to repair -- too far gone.

Now replaced with nice plastic bottle sited a little higher up.


Any way good to know its not only my FIAT that takes as much looking after as the kids,

:bang: :bang: :bang:
 
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